Transfer Rumours 2012

**Guinney** · 05/12/2011, 6:31 PM

Originally Posted by Dunny

Greg Bolger to Pats

Major disappointment this year for us. Was okay near the start, then had one or two injury problems (as per nearly the whole Dundalk team), then he was just plain awful. Seemed like he was way out of his depth. Couldn't pass a ball and contributed little else.

I've nothing against the lad as he seemed like a decent chap. Maybe he just had a bad year or didn't suit the style Dundalk played.

**askmehoop** · 05/12/2011, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by shellyriver

What adjective would you like? He's hardly going to say foolhardy?

Courageous in the context of the economic situation and other advantages certain teams have like renting their ground from local authorities like Shamrock Rovers or others like Finn Harps with a bail out.

Courageous in the context of desire and knocking on door of league title.

Courageous just says to me that he is taking a gamble chasing a league title. living within your means would be the sensible option

**Charlie Darwin** · 05/12/2011, 7:13 PM

Originally Posted by shellyriver

What adjective would you like? He's hardly going to say foolhardy?

Courageous in the context of the economic situation and other advantages certain teams have like renting their ground from local authorities like Shamrock Rovers or others like Finn Harps with a bail out.

Courageous in the context of desire and knocking on door of league title.

How on earth is renting a stadium an advantage? Sligo pay for the upkeep of a stadium owned by the people of Sligo. Rovers pay for the upkeep of Tallaght Stadium plus a tidy profit for the council. Owning your own ground is an advantage, renting on isn't.

**askmehoop** · 05/12/2011, 7:23 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

How on earth is renting a stadium an advantage? Sligo pay for the upkeep of a stadium owned by the people of Sligo. Rovers pay for the upkeep of Tallaght Stadium plus a tidy profit for the council. Owning your own ground is an advantage, renting on isn't.

CD, you forget. Sligo are on a courageous mission to defeat the evil Shamrock Rovers and take from them the league title and will do so at any cost

**nigel-harps1954** · 05/12/2011, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

How on earth is renting a stadium an advantage? Sligo pay for the upkeep of a stadium owned by the people of Sligo. Rovers pay for the upkeep of Tallaght Stadium plus a tidy profit for the council. Owning your own ground is an advantage, renting on isn't.

That confused me too. Sligo fans should be very scared. Poor move from the Sligo board.

**Guinney** · 05/12/2011, 7:50 PM

Courageous is a strange word to use. I'm not suggesting Sligo are going down the same route as I don't know anything about their finances, but if it is courageous to spend extra money to try and achieve your goal them all those bankrupt and those who ruined our country by spending beyond their means are courageous to. Nah don't think so.

Courageous for me would be live within your means even if it displeases some of your fans and you can't attract the calibre of player the manager wants at the club. In fairness Sligo have been developing as a good club over the last few year and moving upwards in the league table. A major challenge for the league is the next step for them, hopefully they are going about it the right way.

**Lim till i die** · 05/12/2011, 8:14 PM

I smell a Summer cash drive coming on.

**Rasputin** · 05/12/2011, 10:07 PM

Think I might wait and see the results of the AGM before running to panic stations just yet, who knows maybe we turned over another profit last season, again.

**shellyriver** · 06/12/2011, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

How on earth is renting a stadium an advantage? Sligo pay for the upkeep of a stadium owned by the people of Sligo. Rovers pay for the upkeep of Tallaght Stadium plus a tidy profit for the council. Owning your own ground is an advantage, renting on isn't.

Not necessarily, for example, Sligo Rovers want to build a new stand. That costs money. There is no hand out from either local authorities - so it has to self-financed. If you had a benevolent landlord to build same, you retain your liquidity without nightmare of fund-raising your ambitions.

So, Sligo understandably want success. That costs money. So while the committee could refuse to shell out the budget, with the calibre of necessary players it won't happen.

These are just of the considerations of running a club, its a balancing act.

So it is courageous or challenging etc to financially extend the club further.

But hopefully, a few of the 15K or so Sligo supporters who attended the Cup Final will continue to support home side.

You need to show a vision and confidence to progress.

What would you like going back to complete part-time set up, that's called regression.

I mean how many clubs, without pointing figures, either play crooked and go under the water, refuse to pay bills and/or have local authorities paying their way. Sligo certainly isn't one - ever.

So, whilst one or two here got a bit excited with word 'courageous' and there is a bit of spin in word usage -- having linked the article its obvious to see the journalist has given this description and not the Chairman or anyone associated with the club.

As was stated, the AGM will give an indication of finances. Considered steady upward curve over last 5 years, the club is hardly going gung-ho.

Shamrock Rovers provide a tidy profit? Rightly so, they are tenants.

Contrast that with the millions that would be required to build Tallaght etc and service the mortgage. Nah, let the Council build it and take full advantage. Yeah, that's real courageous.

**Charlie Darwin** · 06/12/2011, 1:11 AM

Originally Posted by shellyriver

Not necessarily, for example, Sligo Rovers want to build a new stand. That costs money. There is no hand out from either local authorities - so it has to self-financed. If you had a benevolent landlord to build same, you retain your liquidity without nightmare of fund-raising your ambitions.

It was hardly a hand-out. If the games hadn't have taken place in Tallaght, the council would have made no money. By building the stand, they got their usual rent plus a huge slice of UEFA money. If Rovers had owned the stadium, they'd have built the stand with prize money, as would Sligo if they reached that stage of the competition.

I'm not putting down Sligo at all - I think it's great what the club's done there the past few years. I'm just saying that the goal of any football club is to own its own stadium because otherwise it can't realise its full financial potential, and saying that the club has an advantage because it doesn't own the stadium is bizarre.

**osarusan** · 06/12/2011, 1:58 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I'm just saying that the goal of any football club is to own its own stadium because otherwise it can't realise its full financial potential, and saying that the club has an advantage because it doesn't own the stadium is bizarre.

Is it Shamrock Rovers goal? Or are they happy in Tallaght?

Also, not owning a stadium can be advantageous if a club is going belly up.

**Charlie Darwin** · 06/12/2011, 3:00 AM

Well the ideal would be to buy Tallaght. If the club keeps developing on a sustainable basis, there'll be a point where the stadium is worth more to Rovers than it is to the council and a sale would be in both parties' interests.

Also, not owning a stadium can be advantageous if a club is going belly up.

I'd have thought the goal would be not to go belly up in the first place. Not sure how not owning a stadium would benefit, for instance, Bohs right now. It's all that's keeping the club afloat.

**pineapple stu** · 06/12/2011, 5:59 AM

Owning the ground is what got them into trouble in the first place though (well, that plus having idiots making the decisions)

**hoopy** · 06/12/2011, 8:03 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Owning the ground is what got them into trouble in the first place though (well, that plus having idiots making the decisions)

sssshhh. There's still many fans of certain clubs who hang onto the 'Rovers were handed a stadium' obsession. Don't ruin it. The 2 million that went into it before the Council came on board was obviously just a figment of the imagination of those of us who raised it.

**HomerJay** · 06/12/2011, 9:36 AM

sean maccaffrey new dundalk manager.
ex ireland youths, what do ye think...

**marinobohs** · 06/12/2011, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by hoopy

sssshhh. There's still many fans of certain clubs who hang onto the 'Rovers were handed a stadium' obsession. Don't ruin it. The 2 million that went into it before the Council came on board was obviously just a figment of the imagination of those of us who raised it.

......Ah, the Department of Sport were wondering where all that grant money went

Inspectors are still looking down the back of former Shams Directors sofa I believe

**Dodge** · 06/12/2011, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Well the ideal would be to buy Tallaght. If the club keeps developing on a sustainable basis, there'll be a point where the stadium is worth more to Rovers than it is to the council and a sale would be in both parties' interests

I'm not trying to knock Rovers financial success at the moment, but you're a long, long, long way from having enough in reserve to pay what the Council will need to receive to cover their outlay on the stadium. And by that stage, the stadium will already be paid for and making a profit for the council, so why give it up?

**Dodge** · 06/12/2011, 11:55 AM

James Chambers released by Hamilton. Would imagine most clubs here would like to sign him

**MagicMon** · 06/12/2011, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by HomerJay

sean maccaffrey new dundalk manager.
ex ireland youths, what do ye think...

Rumour or confirmed? Very good manager, a lot of fans wanted him to take the Monaghan job last year but he said that he didn't want it early on.

God, if he was Dundalk manager I might not want them to do really really badly...