100% agree.Originally Posted by French Toasht
Wonderful game that night. One if our best.
Mark Kennedy scored a cracker that night too.
And on the players. Whelan and Andrews are there for the graft and a limited amount of passing. Often they do neither well and we still get a result. Thought last night the graft, pressure and application was outstanding. Some great stand up tackles, hassling and pressure. More than one way to play effective football.
Central defence immense as usual.
Mcgeady woeful. But they has 3 on him from the first whistle and the confidence soon went. Not easy to beat three men wedged out on a sideline but as usual decsion making was frustrating and shooting atrocious
Duffer - good. As usual.
Cox- Mighty shift. Fair play.
Doyle won every header but seemed to lose the discipline a wee bit. Frustrated player at the mo?
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100% agree.
Wonderful game that night. One if our best.
Mark Kennedy scored a cracker that night too.
I said in the pub after the game that, if ever a situation was tailor made for Gibson it was a rookie keeper in goals, with the opposition down to ten men. He'd just sit 5 yards outside the penalty area and shoot on sight.
Add in his passing ability against a tiring side and I genuinely think he would have been perfect.
Yeah, that's what went down.
It has all the appearance of a stonewall red card.
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When it came down to the team crossing the line under McCarthy and Kerr, we were powder puff.
We were puff against 2 ordinary sides, Belgium & Turkey and twice against the better team, Switzerland.
There are occasions when you can remember a game where we played good football, but mostly we played modest football and we had Roy Keane.
Fair enough, but we'll never know if playing football against them would have worked better. I think it would have.
Personally, I found last night - and our default position generally under Trappatoni - to be soul-destroying. Lumping the ball sixty yards in the hope we will win the knockdown isn't my idea of football. Especially when on the few occasions we actually play on the deck, we show we can do it. And it's more effective.
Does anyone disagree that during the fifteen minutes after half-time, when we got the ball down, we were at our most comfortable? It seems glaringly obvious to me.
I watched the game with Paul O'Shea last night and telling him that I consider there to be two types of passes: speculative passes and measured passes.
By nature, the former often lead to lost possession. We play far too many speculative passes in my opinion, especially as we don't put pressure on the ball when we lose it.
We look better when we try and play it.
Maybe they're afraid, not of Trap - just lacking in confidence to play it properly. Russia at home was the first time I think we started using long balls as Plan A. Before that we p[layed some long ball stuff but at the start of Trap's reign we tried to play ball properly, just without committing men forward and making sure we were in good shape when we lost possession. I think it's changed to an extent this campaign.
I think Ireland have gone backwards under trap, yes we have gotten to the playoff but lets be honest in a pretty mediocre group. Also I fear for us regardless of who we get in the playoffs. To see St Ledger as a 1st choice sums it up for me. He played in a side that was relegated to league one last season and has hardly kicked a ball this season. I keep hearing this thing about he's brave, he throws himself infront of things when we are being battered by teams. What about bravery in trying to get on a ball and pass it. We have some decent talent coming through like Ciaran Clarke, McCarthy, Coleman and people like kevin foley deserve a fairer crack of the whip. Look at Wales recently at how some encouragement to play decent football can have results.
It's not a bad thing shipping that goal the last night. In true Irish form, had the clean sheet run continued, our next opponent will be scoring in the first minute. At least now there won't be any of this press hype on that going into the game. Conceding the goal should also focus minds, it's always good to have something to focus on and improve on.
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We'd want to play better than that to qualify. Armenia were very good on the ball even with 10 men and I was shocked when they took off their number 8 and 10 everything was going through them. Armenia did their homework they knew our 2 central midfielders had no real threat so instead they put 2 or 3 men on mcgeady and duff in possesion.
We didn't use the wingers well enough especially duff, mcgeady was pure muck only in the way out there constantly drifting in leaving us with no width especially as we don't have overlapping full backs.
Cox was fantastic, Doyle did very well he won every flick on and Walters was magnificent when he came on, so we won't have to worry if keane doesn't make it back, bring on Estonia!
In keeping an eye over both shoulders on McGeady and Duff, combined with the awareness of our CM, meant that Armenia had their least effective performance and made little impact against us. We scooped the ball of their CM so many times. We saw little of the Armenia that ripped Slovakia, Macedonia and Russia to shreds. For the most part, the danger was cut off at the pass.Armenia did their homework they knew our 2 central midfielders had no real threat so instead they put 2 or 3 men on mcgeady and duff in possesion.
And we all know that playing against 10 is dangerous, except when playing against 9, when it is unpredictably dangerous.
St Ledger has consistently performed for us.the last thing we need is a switch for the sake of it.
Yeah, I agree. I don't care who he is playing for, his performances for Ireland have generally been very good and assured.
Its difficult to talk about playing better football while being happy with a guy that just lumps the ball 60 yards everytime. Other than that i just think that he's generally very poor.
SSL defends well. The deficiencies in ball use lie elsewhere in my opinion.
Sure, at one point Dunne played a long ball that must have missed the nearest Irishman by 40 yards.
"Going long is the easy way out for some people and it is never going to be good enough"
Not if you overhit it by 40 yards Richard!
Looking back on last nights game. Missing our top scorer. Missing a left back. O'Shea only recently back from injury. Whelan was carrying an injury. Doyle (completely out of character) losing the head. And yet we never looked in any real danger against a very good side. I still believe we would have won if there keeper had not been sent off. All this in a match of serious importance for both teams. Trapatonni prepared the squad for the last two games brilliantly. The mentality of the players was spot on for both games. Never underestimate that part of football. We will be equally well prepared for the play-offs. I wouldn't fancy drawing us if I was any of the non seeded teams. There is no advantage to playing us at home for any of the 4 non seeds. I include Turkey in that. I can't see any of them beating us in either game.
I agree with you on most points, esp re preperation and mentallity. But I can't ignore that any of the definitive positives in the Armenia game had nothing to do with Trap or our players. I'm not as certain we would have beaten them had the keeper not been sent off. That said, a draw would have done so I still think we'd have made the play offs...
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