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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFShels View Post
    You should give the referee a ring and tell him that Dawson actually isn't great in clear goalscoring opportunities and to rescind the red card.
    Clearly i had no problem with the red card just the bit i had in bold.

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    Seriously, reading back, how do people have any issues with the decision? Go to 44 seconds in this video. Rogers hands by his side, 2 seconds later Dawson going by(with the ball completely out of Roger's reach), hands up in the air and out like a mad yoke. Once he makes contact with Dawson then, the referee has an easy decision to make.
    http://www.stpatsfc.com/watch_video.php?id=418
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    his opinion on who deserved what isn't stating FACT. There's no factual definition of 'deserving' anything

    What do you care what he thinks anyway, enjoy your cup final...
    He didn't say in his opinion, he said "after what they have done". That is a statement of fact.

    Don't really understand why a cork fan is trying to pee on our bonfire tbh. Anyway I will attempt to enjoy the cup final!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFShels View Post
    Seriously, reading back, how do people have any issues with the decision?
    because its not as clear cut as you're making out. The fact people are discussing it at all shows that

    And again, Id rather it wwas just left alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    because its not as clear cut as you're making out. The fact people are discussing it at all shows that

    And again, Id rather it wwas just left alone
    I don't understand how it isn't. Once his hands spring out when the ball is already gone, he has no excuses if contact is made. You could possibly say that Dawson went looking for the foul, and maybe he did, but he found the foul. Stupid from Rogers really. At 1-1 from a Dawson goal, 11 v 11 you'd have to fancy Pats to have alot more chance than they did once he'd done it.
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    Just watched it and that is very very very harsh. There is no way in that split second the keeper could have gotten out of the way. He genuinely goes for the ball and as its quickly put to the side of him then the Shels player collides with him. The centre back had it well covered and definitely would have cleared before the Shels player got to shoot or at the very least would have blocked it. Also Dawson doesn't go down easy looking for it nor does Rogers throw out his hands. It was a simple collision that was still covered by another man back.

    We have all seen them given for a hell of a lot less too though.
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    That does look harsh. I think if you give a foul you have to give a red card but it's hard to tell if it was a 50/50 ball or if the Shels player had it under control.

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    Congrats to Shels - super achievement. Heres hoping you win the cup but dont get promoted.

    Commiserations to St. Patricks even though it brought a wry smile to my face. But as a famous Bohs fundraiser once crooned, whats another year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    That does look harsh. I think if you give a foul you have to give a red card but it's hard to tell if it was a 50/50 ball or if the Shels player had it under control.
    According to the rules as currently enacted you are right CD, ref required to give a red card once he decided it was a foul. Not sure if ref has much/any lee way on this but I believe they should as in such cases a penalty is punishment enough.

    Red cards should be for serious/cynical/dangerous fouls with refs making an effort to keep players on the pitch. Caving in to the "off off off" from terraces is not helping the game as a spectacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkStu View Post
    Congrats to Shels - super achievement. Heres hoping you win the cup but dont get promoted.

    Commiserations to St. Patricks even though it brought a wry smile to my face. But as a famous Bohs fundraiser once crooned, whats another year.
    Are you sure you are not on the board at Dalymount SkStu ? (although if you were it would more likely be "whats another million")

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    TBH, I think it was a pretty awful decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFShels View Post
    Seriously, reading back, how do people have any issues with the decision? Go to 44 seconds in this video. Rogers hands by his side, 2 seconds later Dawson going by(with the ball completely out of Roger's reach), hands up in the air and out like a mad yoke. Once he makes contact with Dawson then, the referee has an easy decision to make.
    http://www.stpatsfc.com/watch_video.php?id=418
    Good to see that everyone on MNS agreed with you.......

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    debatable penalty - never a red card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sligored View Post
    debatable penalty - never a red card.
    The fact is even if it was a penalty (debatable in my opinion) there is no earthly way it was a red card as there was cover behind the keeper (therefore not last man). Unfortunately ref's seem conditioned now to reach for red card in almost any penalty award, thus often making a bad decision a horrendous one . As I said previously, I really think ref's need to pause before making a call, to judge - is this going to benifit the game ?

    I do appreciate that they often have limited latitude/independance and if this is what is hindering them it should be raised with the relevent authorities.

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    Cover doesn't matter in that situation - it was a goalscoring opportunity. The only issue is whether it was a foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinobohs View Post
    really think ref's need to pause before making a call, to judge - is this going to benifit the game ?
    No, they should just stick to enforcing the rules. Every sending off effects the game. If you leave it open to a referee's judgement on whether the game is affected, players will adapt their fouls to that.

    A prime example of that is the 2010 World Cup final. Webb didn't send De Jong off because he didn't want to "ruin the game". In turn, he actually ruined the game as Holland knew they could get away with dirty tactics

    If its a bookable offence book him, if its a red card offence, send him off. Don't try and decide what decision would help the game.

    Not a foul btw
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