QuoteAre you sure you are not a FFer.Originally Posted by thebooboys
Gay Mitchell
Martin McGuinness
Mary Davis
Séan Gallagher
David Norris
Dana Rosemary Scallon
Michael D Higgins
None of the above
Again, any other candidate could be levelled with a similar individual disappointment. I know I've met alot of councillors/TD's some impressive, some not so. Again argument, biased and irrelevant
Are you sure you are not a FFer.
Pretty sure. If I was I wouldn't hide it. My voting record: In last 2 Locals I've Voted Labour + FF
Last 3 Nationals I've voted FF/FG/Independent
As I said before I'm only arguing in interest of balance & fairness
For you it's irrelevant, I think for a lot it shows that he told mistruths over his true involvement with FF. That's the kernel of the issue around Gallagher and FF. If he'd been upfront and honest, this stuff wouldn't be the issue it is.The action is the same, the amount is different that's all. This can obviously be explained through the contacts and business relationships he would have made. For me, its an irrelevant argument. If I was anti-Labour for selling-out on pre election promises would it warrant a discussion about Michael D's organisations fundraising figures too??
Higgin's fundraising would only be an issue if he had tried to downplay his involvement in the party, and he'd deserve it because it would be as incredible as Gallaghers claims.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Sean Gallagher's involvement in his party's past is miniscule when compared to politicians such as Michael D, Mitchell & McGuinness. And I'm not saying that thats good, bad or indifferent, but to even suggest that Mr. Gallagher has had any significance in his party like the 3 CAREER politicians mentioned have had on theirs is silly.
And for the record Michael D & Martin McGuinness have been referring to themselves as Independent minded candidates consistently. In fairness to Gay Mitchell he's the only one whose proud to espouse his party credentials, and probably to his detriment.
I dispute the miniscule, if he was on the NEC. However, to repeat, the "career" politicians party histories are out in the open. And the bits of them that weren't have been exposed to some degree or other. McGuinness has had his IRA past discussed, Norris his clemency plea's and his wages/ pension, Mitchell his clemency pleas and some right wing political groupings. Everyone who's had something to hide has had people digging. I don't see why you think Gallagher or Davis don't deserve equal treatment and have to answer perfectly legitimate questions. Gallagher and Davies have tied themselves in knots over things that they could've dealt with by being open and transparent in the first place. If they can't stand the heat of the political kitchen, the should get the fook out. And that goes for their supporters too. To paraphase an FFer, they're playing senior hurling now...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
I agree everything and everyone's fair game. No problems, it's open season. What I don't appreciate is the likes of Michael D getting an easy-ride" from the likes of Miriam O Cal et al. That night she went for McGuinness she could have equally been more aggressive towards Michael D as he was clearly uncomfortable with being asked about religion/beliefs. She chose not to. Now, religion isn't a topic that interests me per se but the point stands. In the interest of fairness/balance she should have pursued Michael D on that point but no she didn't. Was it because he was too old???
As for Mary Davis's FF connections , they're tenuous to say the least. FF have been in power for almost the last 20 years and yes they did appoint her to many boards. But they were in power, who else was going to bloody appoint her??? I know her name is Mary but I don't believe in the immaculate conception or the concept of being ordained from upon high with a decent job.
So I was right then
I never voted for FF, ALWAYS were corrupt. But i thought that was obvious - so why did you change then from FF?
So by voting for FF once in a national election, and once in a local(which for me is candidate based and not solely party based) I am thereby a Fianna Failer??
So Michael D was a member of FF, he is therefore a FF'er, McGuinness was on IRA Council, he's also pigeon-holed for life, oh and did I mention Norris?????????? Oh i Better not
Yep, tainted for life - should be branded. They wre voted in three times, despite everything, urgh
The very same people who give it a few years will be back to voting that shower in again.
Lads, let's not get into personal politics. Focus on the issue in hand please.
Just because somebody votes for a candidate from a particular party doesn't mean they suport that party. I would not be a fan of SF in generalbut have voted for SF candidates because they were good people and hardworking. Likewise the Greens, and I never voted FF simply because I always felt it was a wasted effort,and in our area there were never anydecent FF'ers (when Brian Lenihan is the head man you know it's not good). Last time around I refused to vote for Leo halfwit or Moan Burton, despite not being against their parties.
Fair enuff me bad - just get into a sweat when I think of zanu-ff
Funny that gallagher is already having to dodge questions about finance and loans - isnt that enough proof if any he is a ff at heart. imagine what might be uncovered if he is elected
Stop taking the bait with tbb lads.
Anyway, can't wait to see how VB handles Gallagher tonight.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
Seriously, how is Gallagher still in the lead? He's an FFer for FF sake.
Only saving grace is that FF are still fecked, and aren't getting any benefit so far, at least. Might make a few more jump ship to be independents actually, if it's that easy to distance themselves from their past.
It'll be interesting how it actually goes. I'd still be surprised if he polls that high - will he get the vote out? If he doesn't, it still very much game on...
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Poll:
Sean Gallagher 0%
Obviously nobody here has been asked by Red C and co.
NL 1st Division Champions 2006
NL Premier Division Champions 2010
NL Premier Division Champions 2011
Keep Tallaght Tidy, Throw your rubbish in the Jodi
Ten Years Not Out
Poll was at the start of the campaign when he would've been low teens, so not that surprising.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
You would hardly think that if it were to be taken now that the results would be much different?
I'd say all of the Norris voters here have migrated to Mickey D and that Gay and Martin have increased slightly. Bar our resident FFer, the boo boys, I can't see anyone here biting for Gallagher.
There are 2 things in Higgins favour on Thursday: 1. Gallagher's vibe is relatively young and there's a large 18-25 section out there that thankfully in this case will be stranded in college or just plain lazy. 2. Despite this apparebt 1st preference surge, Gallagher will remain transfer toxic. Sure I'm giving my no. 2 to McGuinness on thst basis.
It never ceases to amaze me the propensity if Irish people to blank out of their minds the damage and destruction laid down by FF and their cronies and yet vote another of them in. A concerted effort needs to be made this week to highlight Gallagher's links to FF and the crooks to damage him. It's not gonna help though when the debate tonight is being manned by the arch-FF apologist, Pat the Plank.
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