Gay Mitchell
Martin McGuinness
Mary Davis
Séan Gallagher
David Norris
Dana Rosemary Scallon
Michael D Higgins
None of the above
My sister said she was voting for him.Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I explained he is an FFer.
She has changed to Dana.
SUCCESS!!!
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
And to think people on the other thread claimed Gallagher wasn't an FFer... http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/10/20/...-very-bad-day/
In other news, could even Mossad puncture a tyre in Carrick, and it only blow in Kilcock?
Last edited by Macy; 20/10/2011 at 9:22 AM.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Well from Mullingar the only place on the island to vote in a new FF TD (and a vanker at that). Despite losing a hospital, the barracks going and the town a wasteland. So No. never underestimate how stupid the irish electorate can be.
The link you've attached sates back to 2008. When Mr. Gallagher has admitted he was active within that party. I'm a Mary Davis voter/no FF connection but have to highlight the inaccuracy of yet another comment on this forum.
Last edited by dahamsta; 20/10/2011 at 10:47 AM.
How could the link date (sate?) back to 2008 when it talks about events in 2009 and 2010, and is headed up with today's date?
So stupid in your eyes would be to exercise their democratic right and vote for whomever they choose? Were the British people stupid to elect Tony Blair and his Labour Party 3 years running so? Will they be as stupid to elect the same Labour Party after the current Conservative/Lib Dem coalition goes before the public again? I think electoral "stupidity", as you so eloquently put it, isn't merely reserved for us Irish
Unless there's something else which is being blocked the article posted concerns a dinner organised in 2008, and a bank loan in 2009 (where you see the connection with his former party regarding this issue is anyone's guess)
Oh and big deal, I put in "sates" instead of dates. Thanks for the correction, your argument is obviously flawed if you're knit-picking like that
He didn't use the word "stupidity" at all, so no need for the inverted commas or the accusation of eloquence. And he didn't say it was reserved for the Irish; he just happened to be talking about the Irish electorate.
And yes, you can vote for whoever you want and still be stupid to do so. They're not mutually exclusive (unless you're saying voting makes you smart?). Given what Fianna Fáil have done to this country - so blatantly - I see no problems in saying it would be stupid to vote for one of their ilk just because they're now nominally Independent.
On the Gallagher stuff - I don't see a problem with highlighting stuff like that for the Presidential race. Gallagher is FF; people need to be reminded of that.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 20/10/2011 at 10:22 AM.
I have no problem conceding the first point, I know he wasn't exclusively talking about the Irish electorate, I was merely pointing out that electorates all over the world do "stupid" things, depending on your own, singular point of view.
Secondly, and again I reiterate, I am not voting for Sean Gallagher, but to stamp him as a FF candidate is misleading. I don't think he'll get elected either by the way but it is obvious to me that his FF-ness is now becoming a much more important issue than it was say 4 weeks ago, when he was insignificant in the polls. To see Michael D, Norris and McGuinness' increasing number of references to Gallagher's former FF connections conveys blatant desperation, all because of 1, more than likely, hyper-inflated, inaccurate poll.
Come off it - Gallagher has continually denied how involved with the party he was, and said he was only a grass roots member interested in local issues. Here he his exposed to being linked to the very top, and it totally undermines how he has tried to downplay just how embedded in the party he was. The money was just resting in my account story undermines his business/ entrepreneurial claims that he has made during the campaign.
I think we're aware that you're a supporter of the FF Quango Queen, so of course you're going to support the other candidate cut from the same cloth.
Last edited by Macy; 20/10/2011 at 10:38 AM. Reason: fixing quote tags
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Yes Irish people were and are generally stupid in their voting patterns. Just look at the past - Bertie, Cowen, nice, and lisbon votes, even the Lab/fg mix. An informed electorate? I think not
I dont think I have to mention other nations, its not relevant.
And come clean and get off the fence you FFer
Well that's true. People are stupid, basically.
On the rest, what Macy said. And like it or not, it's the way of elections that mud gets slung more at the top.
Anyone who reads what the so-called "quango-queen" received over 15 years on various bodies would rationally discern that in fact per annum the money isn't as significant as that headline a few weeks ago made out, i think it averages at just under 29k p/a. Now considering the other much more exorbitant wages received by higher civil servants, other politicians, board members etc I think that its more reasonable than others might suggest.
In fact if you complain about her salary with Special Olympics Ireland I would be inclined to agree with you, 150k p/a is ridiculous.The money she received p/a from Special Olympics Ireland was far more significant than the other quangos but is it any more ridiculous than what the head of the ESB, various bank chiefs, heads of others received then the answer is no. Some quango chiefs received upwards of 600k. In that context she isn't the worst offender
With regards to Gallagher as far as I'm concerned most members of political parties are encouraged to engage in fundraisers, to say otherwise is being disingenuous. Local party organisations often have dinner dances, race nights, lunches etc and charge. Because Mr. Gallagher at the time was a successful businessman he obviuosly would have known many wealthy people who may have been willing to support their party. Its not much different than organising a dinner @ 100 euro a head. These associates of his had the cash, they willingly supported. He, as a member, obviously tried his best for his party, in 2008
and for the record, I am not and never have been a FF voter. I have voted every shade of the spectrum. All I'm looking for is a bit of balance.
In 2008? He was on the party executive up until earlier this year and he NEVER resigned from the party. He's Fianna Fáil, anyone who votes for him is an idiot - period.
I argued that the link that was posted concerned a story from 2008, a time when Gallagher was a member of that party, and admitted as such. I was merely highlighting the weakness of posting a link dating from 2008, a time when he was admittedly a member of that party.
How much did she get in expenses? That wouldn't show on the P60 she was so quick to produce.
Again, come off it. This dinner isn't the same as €100 a head cumman dinner dance. To repeat, he's continued to suggest he was just a grassroots member, with no links to the top of the party. This shows otherwise.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Think this sums the chancer up.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...5.html?start=1
The action is the same, the amount is different that's all. This can obviously be explained through the contacts and business relationships he would have made. For me, its an irrelevant argument. If I was anti-Labour for selling-out on pre election promises would it warrant a discussion about Michael D's organisations fundraising figures too??
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