Quotebecause he wasn't in the original swuad that james was in. therefore james was picked ahead of himOriginally Posted by Murfinator
well, trap has left out other regulars recently. mc shane and kilbane (injured but also left out of squads when he was fit) for examples.
when has hunt last played well for us? he used to contribute something but not anymore
because he wasn't in the original swuad that james was in. therefore james was picked ahead of him
Nice list, Pretty similar to my own weekly one:
http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...or-a-place-in-
Which has Paul Green in the 23 aswell.
Wasn't Green was called in after it was accepted that Gibson was out?
Unless Trap goes down to the crossroad and sells his soul for a decent midfielder, Fahey will continue to be our only player who has technique on the ball in the centre..
Whelan, Andrews, Gibson, Fahey, Duff and McGeady, those 6 are certainties.
Hunt was part of the qual campaign, he's in 7th place, but (hopefully) not nailed yet.
Lawrence and Keogh are out, Foley is regarded as a right back
That leaves McCarthy, Green, Coleman and McClean to play musical chairs for one or possibly two seats.
O'Shea will be used at RB, unless both St.Ledger and Dunne are injured.
both our 23's are identical, with the ranking very similiar aswell, have to give it to you on the presentation side thoughNice list, Pretty similar to my own weekly one:
http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3942/...or-a-place-in-
Which has Paul Green in the 23 aswell.
a man who knows and knows he knows is a wise man, follow him
exactly but mccarthy was in the squad already at that stage so therefore picked ahead of green.
in all likelyhood whichever one goes won't feature much. but for the future of irish football, i would like to see mccarthy at least gain the experience even if not the game time.
My point would be that McCarthy was selected in this squad, not with the Euros in mind but for the next campaign. In the pecking order now/current style of play/maturity - Green is ahead of McCarthy, therefore when Gibson was pulled out, Trap chose to call Green up and use him in a game where our centre midfield was porous and disjointed.
If my team was being played around in midfield and my players couldn't get near the ball, I'd choose Green over McCarthy too. If we had possession but our problem was we weren't making anything of it, I'd bring in McCarthy. Clearly last night we were in the former situation.
no offence geysir but your explanation there makes even less sense to me than the decision not to give mccarthy a game
Still McCarthy for me. It's not like he's a shrieking violet. To play in the premier league you have to be able to do a bit of everything. This season he has won more tackles per game than Whelan (can't see stats for Green or Andrews because they haven't been playing in the PL). Green gives the impression that he is doing something when he occasionally does his McShane Tasmanian Devil impression which is more likely to concede a free than to win the ball back.
Obviously Trap agrees with you though on this point and he probably loves Green 'mentality' too.
Do you think Green played badly when he came on? I thought he plugged the holes Whelan couldn't (granted, he was struggling with an injury) and allowed us to play a little bit more on the front foot. McCarthy has a lot of skill but I don't think he'd be as effective at breaking up the other team's play and actually getting us in possession for a change. He'd be great when we did have the ball, but the problem was that we weren't winning it at all.
Have to say I think the McCarthy/Green debate is a little bit much of a muchness. Green did fairly well when he came on, in fairness, though I'd still prefer to not see him at the Euros. But McCarthy isn't exactly tearing it up or anything and he certainly hasn't shown the superlative talent to shine in the black hole that is our central midfield.
Bit of shame Gibson wasn't about last night, would have liked to see how he'd fit in after a run of Prem games for a change.
Maybe that's McCarthy's problem - not making the colourful noise Trap would like to hear.
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Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
maybe mccarthy isn't the man we all hope he is, but i would of just liked to see him get a shot, we already know what green can do.
in fairness to green he's not as bad as all the stick he gets, but he defo isn't good enough to live with modric, xavi and de rossi at the euros. as someone else pointed out it would of been great to get a look at gibbo last night now that he's a first team player at club level.
Don't think he had much of an impact at all overall. He did ok. The two things that stood out were his good long-distance strike and his blatant foul to prevent a Czech breakaway (guaranteed yellow in a comp. match).
I believe our 'resurgence' was more due to the fact that:
a)we were losing
b)their changes severely disrupted them. Considering it wasn't their strongest lineup, I'm guessing that some of their C team might have come on and they weren't great individually or collectively near the end.
http://www.guardian.co.ukGiovanni Trapattoni's Ireland squad for Euro 2012 is virtually decided]The Republic of Ireland manager confirmed that he intends to take five strikers to Poland and Ukraine, as some of them also offer options in wide areas, while a prominent name-check for the Derby County midfielder Paul Green pointed towards his inclusion, removing, in many people's eyes, the final question mark over the squad's 23rd player.
He left McCarthy as an unused substitute against the Czechs and gave McClean his debut only as a 79th-minute substitute. "I said to James McCarthy during the game to watch what happened during various situations," Trapattoni said. "He is young, also McClean, For this tournament, he's too young. The preference is experience. I hope we don't have injuries ... the great squad is this.
"When I saw the tremendous reaction from the crowd to McClean coming on, I thought: 'Is Messi or Maradona or Pelé coming on?' I'm only joking ... I know what happens with the people and it's good for him. There is enthusiasm. But McGeady, Duff … they deserve respect. Go slowly, slowly [with the young players]."
Ireland's likely squad for Euro 2012
Goalkeepers: Given, Westwood, Forde
Defenders: O'Shea, Kelly, Foley, Dunne, St Ledger, O'Dea, Ward
Midfielders: Duff, Whelan, Andrews, Fahey, Gibson, Green, McGeady, Hunt
Strikers: Keane, Doyle, Long, Cox, Walters
Green has incriminating pictures of Trap and Manuela in a compromising position. The only logical conclusion.
I think I'd be more disappointed for Coleman to miss out than McCarthy. His injury problems/possible lack of form aside, he has a bit of impact and pace. With Hunt seemingly lost all confidence and turn of speed, that could be vital since all our other midfielders, except McGeady, are very one paced. I'd take Coleman instead of Foley even.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
by that logic mccarthy will never get a game for us. we never have the ball.
I understand a lot of the frustration people have over McCarthy, Coleman, McClean etc. What I don't get is how anyone is suprised. Trapattoni has always remained true to his convictions. Posting irately on here isn't going to change anything.
Looking at the guardians squad there, which seems pretty spot on if you were to predict it, it does read kind of like too many indians and not enough chiefs. In a 23 man squad, I was hoping he'd of given room for one inclusion that doesn't perfectly fit his 'system'. But who am I to argue.
Whatever squad goes, whatever team takes to the pitch, whatever subs get some gametime, my enthusiasm for this Irish team won't diminish. It saddens me to read of other posters who talk of giving up watching Ireland etc. When did following Ireland become about the quality of football ?Debates will go on about who should go and shouldn't go, that's a great thing about football. I just wish June would get here already so we all just get behind them.
Nicely put. Certainly issues in the squad and with Trap's running but is thus and ever shall be. Our home friendlies under him have been getting increasingly poor but I'm treating Wednesday with a bit of shrug tbh. Our home friendlies under Trap have been generally pretty poor for quite a while.Whatever squad goes, whatever team takes to the pitch, whatever subs get some gametime, my enthusiasm for this Irish team won't diminish. It saddens me to read of other posters who talk of giving up watching Ireland etc. When did following Ireland become about the quality of football ?
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
How have our competitive outings been after poor home friendlies? I'm clinging to hope that there's a positive trend because that's about all I could take from last night!
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