Slovakia vs. Armenia

**BonnieShels** · 09/09/2011, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Lets just keep it simple. We know what we have to do. Don't do it, and we're getting ready to face Germany in 12 months time.

We know what we need to do but TC made a point about the double edged sword. I was dealing in permutations.

Forgot to credit that BTW, its from our groups wiki page.

**paul_oshea** · 09/09/2011, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

I agree we have come a long way with Trappatoni from scraping wins in San Marino, but thats really head in the sand stuff and avoiding the major issue that has arisen from the last 2 games. I think when our midfield gets so overrun like it did on Friday - people are entitled to ask questions like; are we getting the most from the players we have available? One of the big cogs in the defensive structure favoured by Trap is a solid, competitive, combative midfield capable of holding thier own at this level. When we look at the level we were overrun on Tuesday, and the level to which we were inable to create anything at all on Friday night from a central position, - you have to wonder why we persist with the players we have in the middle.

My honest opinion from here on in is that if Trap persists with these two in the midfield we will not be capable of either a) beating Armenia at home and b) even if we scrape into the playoffs we won't have the ability to beat a decent team in the palyoffs, and Trap will fall on his own sword.

Now is the time to make the change, recognise we are fortunate to still be in contention, and seize the opportunity. - get Steven Reid out of retirement and get McCarthy in along side him , now you have 2 midfielders in the Trappatoni mould who are capable of holding onto the ball when we need to attack and have enough experience / quality not to get overrun when we are away from home. Do I think this will happen - no, but he may stick McCarthy in, just in time to save his own skin. If he thinks he can qualify with what we have then we are finished, and he'll lose his job anyway.

Exactly how I see it Real Ale, but we are in the minority I feel. I think the general soccer public feel this way too, but I wouldn't really pay too much heed to them though.

Mypost, nothing to do with whingers, but you are awful blind to the cold light of day. You ignore the question I asked about you saying slovakia are a good side, and we should be happy with a 1-1 away to them, they get hammered and you shift the goal posts/or ignore completely. Just like you ignored your assessment of rovers scoring 3 goals against copenhagen. I enjoy reading your contribution but when your argument keeps shifting to suit your agenda it gets more difficult to agree with you in any shape or form.

**Supreme feet** · 09/09/2011, 10:22 AM

Now is the time to make the change, recognise we are fortunate to still be in contention, and seize the opportunity. - get Steven Reid out of retirement and get McCarthy in along side him , now you have 2 midfielders in the Trappatoni mould who are capable of holding onto the ball when we need to attack and have enough experience / quality not to get overrun when we are away from home. Do I think this will happen - no, but he may stick McCarthy in, just in time to save his own skin. If he thinks he can qualify with what we have then we are finished, and he'll lose his job anyway.

The chances of Steven Reid coming out of retirement are about 5%, if that. He retired from our set up to prolong his club career, and seeing as his major two injuries were either sustained or aggravated while on international duty, it's a sensible choice for him, personally and professionally, to stay away - as disappointing as that may be for us.

Furthermore, he's played mostly at RB for West Brom, and has even said in interviews that he doesn't feel able to 'charge around in midfield' these days. Even being out of the international picture, he has sustained plenty of niggling injuries over the last two years, and coming back wouldn't make any sense for him or his career. It's simply not going to happen.

**paul_oshea** · 09/09/2011, 10:31 AM

Ya, but its hardly like our current midfielders do that anyway. At least he would be able get on the ball and hold it up, improve distribution at a minimum. Thats more than either of the other 2 do at present. That said, I don't think he will come back. But limiting the reasons is different to what he might actually offer.

**geysir** · 09/09/2011, 1:45 PM

I wasn't so impressed with McCarthy when he did show up to play, maybe he's one for the next campaign. Steven Reid is retired.
I don't like the standard of the current CM, but will chronic moaners please offer some sensible tangible alternatives, instead of this head in the clouds stuff.

**paul_oshea** · 09/09/2011, 2:01 PM

I'm sure that is directed towards me, and some others. The thing is I don't think the midfielders are as bad as they are being "played' out to be. I think its a directive.

That said its more of a hope than anything else, that Meyler and Mccarthy have good seasons. If meyler even plays the next 2 months and does well in the premiership I would want him on the bench at the very least for a potential play-off in november. I don't like how some things with Trap have to be a very slow/gradual process, sometimes circumstances dictate these things directly or indirectly. Its the indirectly part I worry about with Trap.

**the bear** · 09/09/2011, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

I wasn't so impressed with McCarthy when he did show up to play, maybe he's one for the next campaign. Steven Reid is retired.
I don't like the standard of the current CM, but will chronic moaners please offer some sensible tangible alternatives, instead of this head in the clouds stuff.

fahey should be first choice cm

**OwenGoal** · 09/09/2011, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I'm sure that is directed towards me, and some others. The thing is I don't think the midfielders are as bad as they are being "played' out to be. I think its a directive.

That said its more of a hope than anything else, that Meyler and Mccarthy have good seasons. If meyler even plays the next 2 months and does well in the premiership I would want him on the bench at the very least for a potential play-off in november. I don't like how some things with Trap have to be a very slow/gradual process, sometimes circumstances dictate these things directly or indirectly. Its the indirectly part I worry about with Trap.

That's it. That's exactly what I think. I nominate you for President of Everything.

**mypost** · 12/09/2011, 5:16 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Mypost, nothing to do with whingers, but you are awful blind to the cold light of day. You ignore the question I asked about you saying slovakia are a good side, and we should be happy with a 1-1 away to them, they get hammered and you shift the goal posts/or ignore completely. Just like you ignored your assessment of rovers scoring 3 goals against copenhagen. I enjoy reading your contribution but when your argument keeps shifting to suit your agenda it gets more difficult to agree with you in any shape or form.

Not blind at all, I just look at the results, and the table. It looks pretty good atm, from an Irish point of view. In 1987, Gary McKay's goal saved Jack's job. A win at home to Armenia will probably save Giovanni's.