First Division Run In

**Magicme** · 14/09/2011, 1:29 PM

Redron: having seen the suspension list there is no real grounds for appeal. It clearly states next competitive match. I hope they get fine quashed though.

**Lim till i die** · 14/09/2011, 1:37 PM

You saw the suspension notice Harps got??

Also if there's no grounds for appeal why do you hope the fine is quashed??

**redron** · 14/09/2011, 1:45 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

Redron: having seen the suspension list there is no real grounds for appeal. It clearly states next competitive match. I hope they get fine quashed though.

This paragraph appears at the top of the suspension list you were looking at, as released by the FAI every week:

Originally Posted by FAI

THIS WEEK�S SUSPENSION LIST
Please note that this Press Release is for information purposes for members of the media and the general public. Clubs are officially notified by the FAI DCU of suspensions imposed on members of their Club. Only currently registered players included on this list.

**Magicme** · 14/09/2011, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

You saw the suspension notice Harps got??

Also if there's no grounds for appeal why do you hope the fine is quashed??

I said suspension list. I think there should be leniency on all fines like that as the point deduction is enough punishment coz bar limerick clubs don't have a spare few thousand to throw away.

Edit: Sorry Ron just saw your post. I am aware of that but don't you think the club secretary should have looked at both notices and if he had queries rang Michael Hayes? We suffered similar consequences a few years ago and you just have to suck it up. Admin errors occur but the penalty is there to encourage carefulness.

**Lim till i die** · 14/09/2011, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I said suspension list..

Then you saw the first paragraph redron quoted which kind of contradicts your flat "there is no real grounds to appeal" statement

I think there should be leniency on all fines like that as the point deduction is enough punishment coz bar limerick clubs don't have a spare few thousand to throw away

Rules is rules surely though??

Any club which is fretting over a couple of grand should probably be sitting down having a hard think about whether to remain in senior football. That's not a dig at Harps and I realise it may cost us up to 15 clubs, but it's a fact.

**Lim till i die** · 14/09/2011, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

Admin errors occur but the penalty is there to encourage carefulness.

A penalty you don't want Harps to pay??

**Magicme** · 14/09/2011, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Then you saw the first paragraph redron quoted which kind of contradicts your flat "there is no real grounds to appeal" statement

Rules is rules surely though??

Any club which is fretting over a couple of grand should probably be sitting down having a hard think about whether to remain in senior football. That's not a dig at Harps and I realise it may cost us up to 15 clubs, but it's a fact.

You wouldn't have said that a few years ago when you hadn't even a tea cup to pee in never mind a pot. Nice to be protected in your ivory tower of wealth but the reality is, particularly at this time in the season, money is harder to come by and a big fine like that could case serious problems at many clubs.

As for contradiction I don't think so. It's easy to check things out and they would've had few days to do so before fielding a player so there are no grounds to appeal when the information is in your hands and the fai are but a phone call away.

My stance on the fine is its too high and just an fai money spinner.

Edit: again just seeing your last post. Dam phone is no place for arguing on internet. The penalty I refer to is the loss of a point and having another loss on the table rather than a draw. If it was us that it had happened to it would have been a major penalty and may cost promotion but as things stand it hasn't too much effect on harps but it is still a penalty.

**nigel-harps1954** · 14/09/2011, 3:39 PM

Harps simply cannot afford this fine.

Any club which is fretting over a couple of grand should probably be sitting down having a hard think about whether to remain in senior football

This is a very stupid remark. As Magicme said, only a couple of years ago this sort of fine would have threatened Limericks existence in senior football. Dare we mention the demise of Limerick a few years ago and the start of Limerick 37?

I'm not going to go on about Harps dire financial situation, simply for the sake of the club, I'd happily take the loss of points long as the fine is taken away. John Delaney may be able to lift 2 and a half grand out of his back pocket any day he wishes, but for the FAI to expect a club on the brink to cough up for their own mis-information is downright criminal.

**Lim till i die** · 14/09/2011, 3:59 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

You wouldn't have said that a few years ago when you hadn't even a tea cup to pee in never mind a pot. Nice to be protected in your ivory tower of wealth but the reality is, particularly at this time in the season, money is harder to come by and a big fine like that could case serious problems at many clubs.

Any club who's existence is threatened by a couple of grand should be asking serious questions about whether to reamian in senior football. It's shocking stuff.

A couple of grand, three days of Joe Gambles wages.

Edit: again just seeing your last post. Dam phone is no place for arguing on internet. The penalty I refer to is the loss of a point and having another loss on the table rather than a draw. If it was us that it had happened to it would have been a major penalty and may cost promotion but as things stand it hasn't too much effect on harps but it is still a penalty.

It's an irrelevance to a tem involved in a tussle for eight and ninth.

There has to be a financial penalty or you would leave the whole thing open to match fixing. Simples.

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Harps simply cannot afford this fine.

This is a very stupid remark. As Magicme said, only a couple of years ago this sort of fine would have threatened Limericks existence in senior football. Dare we mention the demise of Limerick a few years ago and the start of Limerick 37?

No, when Limerick were in a similar position they had no business in senior football either.

A couple of grand??

The very existence of a club which has new stadium plans would be threatened by a couple of grand

Shambles.

**passerrby** · 14/09/2011, 4:03 PM

I think if shels win on fri and that's a big if then Lims promotion aspirations are over for this year

**born2bwild** · 14/09/2011, 4:14 PM

I wonder will Lims actually go for it?
They may be thinking that Wexford, Mervue, Athlone, Mons and Waterford are more winnable and try to play for a draw - Mons essentially being the cup final of that run in.
That kind of thinking got them spanked by Shels in Limerick in the summer.
I can see it going 3-1 to Shels if Lims play for a draw - the opposite if they actually try to win.
Have they got the bottle?

**BonnieShels** · 14/09/2011, 4:17 PM

Bottles of fudge all round.

**passerrby** · 14/09/2011, 4:18 PM

If they don't they could be 6 points( provided we get the 2 of finnharps) behind while the mons would have two games in hand.

**born2bwild** · 14/09/2011, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Bottles of fudge all round.

They'll be handing out free fudge at the 'hey presto Shels are back' v Limerick cup match.

**Lim till i die** · 14/09/2011, 6:36 PM

Limerick HAVE TO WIN Friday.

No ifs, ands, or maybes.

We already need Cork to slip up twice.

Have to win all our games and hope for the best.

Having said that I reckon we'll romp the First Division South

**redron** · 14/09/2011, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

As for contradiction I don't think so. It's easy to check things out and they would've had few days to do so before fielding a player so there are no grounds to appeal when the information is in your hands and the fai are but a phone call away.

My stance on the fine is its too high and just an fai money spinner.

Again, if what I have read on here regarding the official notification of the sanction and suspension of the Finn Harps player is true, he was not actually suspended for the particular match.
It does appear that this notice contained an error regarding the implementation of the suspension, but apparently this was not corrected in any official communication with the club.

The weekly press release issued by the FAI summarising the current suspensions is not an official notice, as it clearly says in its opening paragraph. So there is no way that a club should base any decision regarding eligibility of players on this. However, it is perfectly logical for an opposing team to refer to this, as they do not receive directly a copy of the notices of sanction/suspension of players on their opposing teams. So this explains the basis of Monaghan Utd's complaint, but does not make an outcome in their favour a foregone conclusion. Finn Harps claim they were working off all the official notices issued to them.

This is what should happen tomorrow:
1) The notice issued to Finn Harps will be verified. The error will be noted and a new suspension notice will be issued. (He will be suspended from next week's match.)
2) The player was not officially suspended from the particular match in question, so the original result (0-0) will stand.

On the separate issue of the severity of the fine, without going to the trouble of looking it up, I believe this is part of a fixed penalty. Surely this is something that the clubs agreed to. In my opinion it is a severe penalty. Maybe there should be a lesser penalty for First Div clubs? But arguments about the Participation Agreement are probably best dealt with in another thread...

**CSFShels** · 14/09/2011, 8:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Limerick HAVE TO WIN Friday.

No ifs, ands, or maybes.

We already need Cork to slip up twice.

Have to win all our games and hope for the best.

Having said that I reckon we'll romp the First Division South

Wouldn't count on it, Waterford will be better next year.

**passerrby** · 14/09/2011, 9:41 PM

If he was not suspended then whydid Finn harps bring it to the attention of the league , my guess is that harps will appeal on the grounds that the paperwork was misleading but then this notification is not meant to inform the club but the media .