Tallaght Stadium or Aviva Stadium for Shamrock RVS??

**nigel-harps1954** · 30/08/2011, 4:58 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

The games aren't going to fill Aviva anyway so it's a moot point. The only one that would probably sell out is Spurs and it would be insane to offer the tickets at such a low price.

The problem being if you try charge 25 quid for a game against PAOK you'll get no more than 15,000 in the Aviva. If you're charging €15 you could get 25,000 and potentially more in the ground. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather make the same amount of money and have 10,000 more people in the ground creating a better atmosphere and not making the league look like a bunch of fools in a 1/4 full stadium.
I'm sorry for trying to use logic. I know it's not entirely welcome here.

**legendz** · 30/08/2011, 6:45 PM

I hope Rovers get their preferred choice. If they have to go with the Aviva, I'd imagine they'll have to go with a 3 match package.

**Rasher** · 30/08/2011, 8:13 PM

Rovers prepare to bring Europe to Tallaght

Soccer : Shamrock Rovers have provisionally been given permission to use Tallaght Stadium for their upcoming Europa League group games.

Uefa have given League of Ireland champions the green light, providing the stadium passes a routine inspection next week when the additional seats are added to bring the attendance up to at least 8,000.

Rovers, who will host Tottenham, Rubin Kazan and PAOK Salonika, were keen to stay in their home ground for the games after making history by reaching the group stages with a 3-2 aggregate win over Partizan Belgrade last week.

Rubin Kazan will be the first to visit on September 15th before the visits of PAOK on November 3rd and Spurs on December 15th.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...303229766.html

**nigel-harps1954** · 30/08/2011, 9:29 PM

I thought temporary seating wasn't allowed in group stages of european competition? Or is there some sort of super quick McDonalds/Aldi/Lidl type building going up in a week?

Fair play to them whatever the case. Excellent news for the club.

**sheao** · 30/08/2011, 9:55 PM

Has to be Tallaght . Has no problem holding the games with seats brought in, just look at the Real Madrid game a few years back.

**mypost** · 30/08/2011, 9:59 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I thought temporary seating wasn't allowed in group stages of european competition? Or is there some sort of super quick McDonalds/Aldi/Lidl type building going up in a week?

Fair play to them whatever the case. Excellent news for the club.

Temporary seating is allowed. Temporary stands is a different matter.

**nigel-harps1954** · 30/08/2011, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Temporary seating is allowed. Temporary stands is a different matter.

So...how exactly are they putting it up? Just letting the seats lay on the ground? Where's the space for them? Not a dig, just, won't they have to put up some sort of stand to install the seats?

**mypost** · 30/08/2011, 10:19 PM

They will have to put up a stand to put the seats in. The definition of "permanent" depends on who you talk to, I guess.

They have this set up in Germany everywhere. For league games they have standing room, and for UEFA games they have temporary seats put in. The difference is, the stand is already there to put them in.

**nigel-harps1954** · 30/08/2011, 10:25 PM

Well I'd imagine what they have in Germany is probably something similar to Hill 16 in croke park?
Rovers don't have anything there at all. Unless they had concrete steps put in immediately then obviously something like what Bray have in the Carlisle grounds would be disallowed? Could be wrong with this of course but it's my opinion on it.

**fionnsci** · 30/08/2011, 11:15 PM

Richmond Park has a "temporary stand" that has been used in Europe. Has taken a battering alright. RDS also has similar structures anyway.

**nigel-harps1954** · 30/08/2011, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by fionnsci

Richmond Park has a "temporary stand" that has been used in Europe. Has taken a battering alright. RDS also has similar structures anyway.

Not in group stages though. They're allowed for qualifying matches

**dfx-** · 30/08/2011, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Not in group stages though. They're allowed for qualifying matches

I'm going to gamble on a whim and say there's more to upgrade Richmond to category three or four than a few seats...

**fionnsci** · 30/08/2011, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

I'm going to gamble on a whim and say there's more to upgrade Richmond to category three or four than a few seats...

That's not the issue at all. It's that these structures have been allowed before and, obviously, are allowed at the moment, hence the stands being put in.

**mypost** · 31/08/2011, 1:54 AM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Well I'd imagine what they have in Germany is probably something similar to Hill 16 in croke park?

It possibly is, but it shows that temp seating is allowed. The structure has to be permanent though. Tallaght looks a radically different stadium with all 4 sides open. After the first game, we've no home group game for 7 weeks, so as to allow us have the last game at home, then 2 in 5 weeks. But we have some big home league games for the rest of the season, and we could use them then too, if the demand was there. Put the seats in, and leave them there for 3 months.

**nigel-harps1954** · 31/08/2011, 2:32 AM

My point being though, surely a set of concrete steps can be put up in the space of a week or 2? Metal frame, reinforced concrete slabs, build a wall around it, slap on a bit of plaster, bobs yer aunt. Thats permanent. Then its a case of the temporary seating being put in. How hard can it be.

**peadar1987** · 31/08/2011, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

My point being though, surely a set of concrete steps can be put up in the space of a week or 2? Metal frame, reinforced concrete slabs, build a wall around it, slap on a bit of plaster, bobs yer aunt. Thats permanent. Then its a case of the temporary seating being put in. How hard can it be.

I reckon if the long-term plan is to build a 4-sided stadium like the original plans contained:

(Image courtesy of rebelarmyexile)

It would probably be cheaper in the long run not to build a slapdash reinforced concrete structure that would be very hard and expensive to remove if the stadium ever was developed to this level.

Just as an aside (and it probably really belongs in the stadium updates thread), the cost for building a new stadium is supposedly around �1000-�4,000 per seat (http://www.toffeeweb.com/club/busine...forStadium.pdf), although this might be less for stadia with much of the infrastructure already in place. At €15 a ticket, that's about 85-300 sold-out games you need to make your money back (A big range, I know). At the moment, Shams would sell out perhaps ten games a season at increased capacity (four derbies against Bohs and Pats, Dundalk or Sligo if it was a big game in the title race, a couple of European games), so it would probably take in the order of 15-20 years to pay back the costs of building a new stadium, maybe less if the increased attendances at the big games have knock-on effects in the smaller games. Whether that's an acceptable time frame for return on the investment would be up to the Rovers board.

**osarusan** · 31/08/2011, 2:51 PM

It's not Shamrock Rovers' stadium. They'd be absolutely insane to start building anything unless they had a million-year lease, and the SDCC aren't likely to build extra stands under any circumstances, especially when Rovers don't even fill the existing stadium more than a few times a season.

**passinginterest** · 31/08/2011, 2:55 PM

I think the potential usage for an extra stand from SDCC viewpoint would be to use the Stadium as an outdoor concert venue. It's still highly unlikely that they'd be willing to invest any funds at the moment. And, as has been pointed out, it would be madness for Rovers to go about spending huge sums on stands if they haven't got a watertight, extremely long term, lease.

**Charlie Darwin** · 31/08/2011, 3:00 PM

The council and the club have obviously agreed something, though we don't know what. I'm not an expert on leases but I think the club would have a similar right to tenancy as renters do in houses, i.e. as long as they pay their rent and abide by reasonable increases, they can't be thrown out. And, let's face, there's no other football club in Dublin that could afford the rent. If the council and club both feel it would be beneficial to raise capacity, then they'll hammer out an agreement where both pay in proportion to what they expect to gain from it. The cost of construction is also at its lowest point in recent memory so it might be deemed prudent to invest now rather than later.

**poster** · 31/08/2011, 3:11 PM

Not bothered with reading through the thread, so...

Is there not a UEFA rule with group stage games that all home games have to be in the same ground.