SPA Players Unhappy

**Ezeikial** · 04/08/2011, 2:43 PM

Thats a relief!

**Real ale Madrid** · 04/08/2011, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

good luck to Pats today hope ye do win and go through.

Well the players have managed to squeeze blood from a stone already today - maybe they can produce another miracle ?

**DannyInvincible** · 04/08/2011, 2:48 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

whatever you want zek I think they deserve better . Derry really good comparisson. point about part time is that you advocate skimping on their pay but expect them to be as good as full time foreign teams (Derry excepted) . Anyway dont care anymore as Rovers are on today so ill watch that and you concentrate on wheither or not Pats players deserve to be nailed to the cross and next time your in europe hopefully this issue will be written into the contracts
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good luck to Pats today hope ye do win and go through.

What are you talking about "skimping on their pay"? The players' salaries for doing their job are already in their contracts.

**marinobohs** · 04/08/2011, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

whatever you want zek I think they deserve better . Derry really good comparisson. point about part time is that you advocate skimping on their pay but expect them to be as good as full time foreign teams (Derry excepted) . Anyway dont care anymore as Rovers are on today so ill watch that and you concentrate on wheither or not Pats players deserve to be nailed to the cross and next time your in europe hopefully this issue will be written into the contracts
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good luck to Pats today hope ye do win and go through.

The reality is this was simply an attempt by the players to screw a few extra bob out of the club, nothing more, nothing less. They realise they have an uphill struggle to get through tonight and decided threatening the game gave them the best leverage.
I suppose they will see it as a successfull strategy - at least in the short term -in that they got a deal.

**noddy102** · 04/08/2011, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Are you on a wind-up?

You may not realise it but when a club qualifies for European competition they actually have to leave the country to play. Of course it's part of their contracted commitment.

You're missing a key point - Players signed contracts and booked holidays etc before Fingal folded and before St. Pats were in Europe. Therefore wages agreed on lower finances and holidays now unavailable.

And yes Pats players were offered the 7500 for round 1 but were then told they were getting 0 for round 2 and club then decided not to pay on loss of earnings. That menat a lot of players were out of pocket by quite a lot (3 trips taken mid week).

Again contracts were agreed before club was in Europe so players didnt sign contracts knowing this could happen.

**Real ale Madrid** · 04/08/2011, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by noddy102

And yes Pats players were offered the 7500 for round 1 but were then told they were getting 0 for round 2 and club then decided not to pay on loss of earnings. That menat a lot of players were out of pocket by quite a lot (3 trips taken mid week).

Source ? I find it hard to believe they would get 7,500 for 1st round but then nothing for subsequent rounds.

**noddy102** · 04/08/2011, 2:58 PM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

The reality is this was simply an attempt by the players to screw a few extra bob out of the club.

Loss of earnings from other full time jobs to partake in matches they didnt know were happening when they agreed there contracts at the beginning of the season.

Originally Posted by marinobohs

They realise they have an uphill struggle to get through tonight and decided threatening the game gave them the best leverage.

This has been going on for well over a month. Club ignorantly trying to brush it under the carpet, trying to break agreements.

**Mr A** · 04/08/2011, 2:59 PM

Didn't Pats offer the players the same for each round?

It just seems that the players feel that because the club was making a few bucks that they were automatically entitled to a cut.

**noddy102** · 04/08/2011, 3:00 PM

Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

Source ? I find it hard to believe they would get 7,500 for 1st round but then nothing for subsequent rounds.

I cant pass you on a link because there isint one but Im sure you'll see plenty of sources in the coming weeks.

**noddy102** · 04/08/2011, 3:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mr A

Didn't Pats offer the players the same for each round?

Not true

**marinobohs** · 04/08/2011, 3:02 PM

Originally Posted by noddy102

Loss of earnings from other full time jobs to partake in matches they didnt know were happening when they agreed there contracts at the beginning of the season.

NOBODY has argued they are not entitled to out of pocket expences (in fact most, including myself said they were)

This has been going on for well over a month. Club ignorantly trying to brush it under the carpet, trying to break agreements.

No agreements were broken as none existed. Try reading previous posts on the thread.

**Charlie Darwin** · 04/08/2011, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by noddy102

And yes Pats players were offered the 7500 for round 1 but were then told they were getting 0 for round 2 and club then decided not to pay on loss of earnings. That menat a lot of players were out of pocket by quite a lot (3 trips taken mid week).

If they were offered nothing they shouldn't have gone to fulfill the away fixtures.

**gufct** · 04/08/2011, 3:29 PM

Pats are the same as every other league club barely keeping their heads above water. Feel really sorry for Pats supporters who are among the best in the league will take a lot to repair damage done on all fronts.

**Ezeikial** · 04/08/2011, 3:35 PM

Originally Posted by noddy102

And yes Pats players were offered the 7500 for round 1 but were then told they were getting 0 for round 2 and club then decided not to pay on loss of earnings. That menat a lot of players were out of pocket by quite a lot (3 trips taken mid week).

What is you source for this?

That is very difficult to believe, and quite frankly I don't.

Originally Posted by noddy102

You're missing a key point - Players signed contracts and booked holidays etc before Fingal folded and before St. Pats were in Europe. Therefore wages agreed on lower finances and holidays now unavailable.

Again contracts were agreed before club was in Europe so players didnt sign contracts knowing this could happen.

I don't think that is a key point at all.

IMO the key issues are
a) That St Pats offered and the players accepted a finacial deal for round 1, and presumably did likewise for further rounds

b) The stance of the players in holding the club to ransom is completely unacceptable and is deserving of utter contempt

**Real ale Madrid** · 04/08/2011, 3:37 PM

Originally Posted by noddy102

I cant pass you on a link because there isint one but Im sure you'll see plenty of sources in the coming weeks.

THere are rules regarding the posting of unsubstantiated claims here - regardless of that - I'm sure Pats offered all they could afford to the players.