QuoteWell the point is to force the club to relent to their demands. Not fulfilling a Euro fixture could cost the club 500k+. Not fulfilling a league fixture would cost the club a few grand.Originally Posted by Straightstory
Embarrassing situation. Players mostly to blame. But club officials culpable too. Maybe players should have considered pulling out of the next LEAGUE game? Then at least the whole ridiculous farce would have been limited to this country and they wouldn't shame themselves throughout Europe.
I feel a lot of sympathy for Pete Mahon.
Well the point is to force the club to relent to their demands. Not fulfilling a Euro fixture could cost the club 500k+. Not fulfilling a league fixture would cost the club a few grand.
PFAI are an affiliated organisation of SIPTU (absorbed when MPGWU joined with SIPTU) and presumably acts on foot of SIPTU negotiating licence. As the players are employees (unlike Cork stick fighters a few years back) they would be subject to the same rights/conditions that apply in any employer/employee dispute,which as the issue is not an employment right/contract issue would fall under the Industrial Relations Act 1990.
This Act (IR Act 1990) outlines requirements PRIOR to legal Industrial Action being taken.
That was Scotland's away game to Estonia in qualification for the 1998 World Cup. Scotland originally believed they'd be awarded the three points, but UEFA instructed that the game should be replayed at a later date. More info on that affair here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_team_in_Tallinn
Not sure what impact, if any, that might have on today's events.
Kellegher must be raging at all this ...
He has put in millions since taking over and then the players get stroppy over a few K and the name of the league gets draged throught the mud yet again!
If I was him I'd go all amateur next season and have a UCD type set-up (no offence to UCD) of u21 players playing for nothing!
From what I've read of that, would it have made any difference - FIFA convened to order a replay of the fixture at later date in a neutral ground - if Scotland hadn't bothered showing up either? Surely a replay would still have been ordered?
Daniel McDonnell talking on Twitter.
Something sorted out so?
Sometimes it is hard not to attack the poster for idiotic ramblings.
Part of the "regular job" of a player whose club is in European competition is..eh...to play in Europe.
Couldn't believe it when I heard this earlier.
Love this league. Realistically how much sympathy were the pats players expecting from this? Idiots.
Here are the UEFA regulations that will apply if Pats fail to fulfil the fixture: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/...0_DOWNLOAD.pdf
VI. Refusal to Play, Cancellation of a Match, Match Abandoned and Similar Cases
Article 10
Refusal to play and similar cases
10.01 If a club refuses to play or is responsible for a match not taking place or not being played in full, the Control and Disciplinary Body declares the match forfeited and/or disqualifies the club concerned in combination with the following fines:
a) prior to the first qualifying round: €10,000
b) prior to the second qualifying round: €10,000
c) prior to the third qualifying round: €10,000
d) prior to the play-offs: €30,000
e) prior to the group stage: €50,000
f) during the group stage: €125,000
g) prior to the round of 32: €150,000
h) prior to the round of 16: €175,000
i) prior to the quarter-finals: €200,000
j) prior to the semi-finals: €250,000
k) prior to the final: €500,000
10.02 Exceptionally, the Control and Disciplinary Body can validate the result as it stood at the moment when the match was abandoned if the match result was to the detriment of the club responsible for the match being abandoned.
10.03 If a club is disqualified or for any reason withdraws from the competition before completion of its matches in the group stage, the results of all of its matches are declared null and void, and its points forfeited.
10.04 In all cases, the Control and Disciplinary Body can take further measures if the circumstances so justify.
10.05 A club which refuses to play or is responsible for a match not taking place or not being played in full loses all rights to payments from UEFA.
10.06 Upon receipt of a reasoned and well-documented request from the club or clubs concerned, the UEFA administration may set an amount of compensation due for financial loss.
Article 11
Match cancelled before departure of the visiting club
11.01 If the home club or the host association finds that a match cannot take place, for example because the field is not fit for play, the home club must notify the visiting club and the referee before their departure from home and the UEFA administration at the same time. In this case, the match must, in principle, be played at another venue and/or on another date as decided by the UEFA administration after consultation with the home club (for the venue) and with both clubs (for the date).
Match cancelled after departure of the visiting club
11.02 If any doubt arises as to the condition of the field of play after the visiting club’s departure from home, the referee decides on the spot whether or not it is fit for play.
11.03 If the referee decides that the match cannot commence, for example because the field is unfit for play, the match must be played either the next day, or on a reserve date or other date set by the UEFA administration. A decision must be taken within two hours of the referee’s decision to cancel the match, in consultation with the two clubs and the associations concerned. In case of dispute, the UEFA administration fixes the date and kick-off time of the match. Its decision is final.
Match abandoned
11.04 If the referee decides to abandon the match, for example because the field is unfit for play, the remaining match time must be played either the next day, or on a reserve date or other date set by the UEFA administration, unless the case is referred to the UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body. The date on which the match will be completed must be decided within two hours of the referee’s decision to abandon the match, in consultation with the two clubs and the associations concerned. In case of dispute, the UEFA administration fixes the date and kick-off time of the match. Its decision is final.
11.05 If the remaining time of the match has to be played the next day, or on a reserve date or other date set by the UEFA administration, the following principles apply:
a) the match sheet may contain any of the eligible players who were on lists A and B when the match was abandoned, irrespective of whether they were actually on the match sheet for the abandoned match, with the exception of players substituted or sent off during the abandoned match as well as players suspended for the abandoned match. The players who were in play at the time the match was abandoned may not be included on the match sheet as substitutes when the match is resumed;
b) any sanctions imposed before the match was abandoned remain valid for the remainder of the match;
c) single yellow cards imposed before the match was abandoned are not carried forward to any other matches before the abandoned match is completed;
d) players sent off during the abandoned match cannot be replaced and the number of players in the starting line-up remains as it was when the match was abandoned;
e) players who were suspended following a match played after the abandoned match in question can be included on the match sheet;
f) the teams can make only the number of substitutions to which they were still entitled when the match was abandoned.
Expenses
11.06 When the circumstances required the home club to notify the visiting club and the referee before their departure from home of a match not being able to be played and if the home club failed to do so, it is responsible for the travel, board and lodging expenses of the visiting club and the referee team.
11.07 In all other cases, each club bears its own expenses, including additional expenses resulting from the match having to be (re)played later than initially scheduled. However, if a match cannot take place for reasons beyond control and the visiting club returns home, the travel, board and lodging expenses of the visiting club, as well as the relevant hosting costs, are borne by the two
clubs in equal parts.
Would they have considered pulling out if they were leading/still level after the first leg?
I wonder if the Pats players DO get what they want, play now, and get beaten - will the players reimburse the supporters who travelled over there for thier time and expenses etc ?
Seems about as logical as what they are looking for now.
Looks like game is now going ahead. Fancy Pats to win 3-0. Ideal preparation.
Even if it does go ahead, you'd have to imagine that the atmosphere will be pretty poisonous. Whatprice Karpaty to win 5-0 and Pats to finish with 9 men?
Stuart Gilhooly: "Deal done. Match goes ahead. Club finally shows common sense and respect at eleventh hour. Pity it had to come to this."
http://twitter.com/#!/DSBAPresident/
doesnt seem to hard for you zek but I stand by my assertions that players in european games should be rewarded extra (bonus) for them. You want to do well in europe but expect players to play these games as if they were a local one instead of offering incentitives and bonuses . very small minded indeed. if you make extra money for your boss you get a bonus thats worldwide ,except for ireland where if you screw the people you get the bonus . ie your pols and bankers but these players who get mickey mouse money you begrudge a bonus even though they are earning you extra. why should they bother trying to qualify next year if it only means extra games for no extra pay.
That gilhooly seems like a complete tool.
They were getting extra pay. Their issue was over how much.
Has the club given in to the players' demands then?
Seriously what kind of **** is this fella. Deluded legal profession *******.
Pats players demands are like shop workers going into the boss looking for a bonus because extra money has come through the tills. Presumably they would be willing to give the club a bonus if their underperformance was leading to lower crowds and prize money.
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