SPA Players Unhappy

**Charlie Darwin** · 04/08/2011, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by osarusan

Also, is there an official process for pulling out of a tie? At what point can Lviv just get on the bus to the airport? Or is there some time / moment / submission or non-submission of a piece of paperwork which means the point of no return has been crossed?

I think I remember Scotland fulfilling a fixture a few years ago when the home side failed to turn up in protest. Lviv would at least have to be in the stadium at the time of kick-off.

This whole thing is embarrassing. No sympathy for the players.

**Macy** · 04/08/2011, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

Surely if the players don't play and the club suffer financially they can issue legal proceedings against the players?

If the PFAI sanction the action, it'd be the union that would be liable as far as I'm aware. Which is why SIPTU et al will only sanction action if correct procedures have been followed, and can be proven to have been followed.

**harleyleeds** · 04/08/2011, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

Yes you should pay your players, that is not what is at issue here - the Pats players have been paid, they just want more. Pretty pathetic attempt at an auld dig.

no dig intended you brought galway into it , its not fair a team that is all up for sale and is no good being in the league. You are defunct thats a fact not me wumming you. players the world over get bonuses to give incentitive why is loi so special. people on here whinging about standard then dont want players to get extra to push them. if you choose to work abroad whenever your boss says so for no extra money than you would have at home then thats your choice but (except for the situation in your country where you really have no choice anymore but to be happy with anything) i cant understand why you would. its not part of your reg job.

**Roo69** · 04/08/2011, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

IMO, the players should be sanctioned not so much for bringing the game here into disrepute, but for making it an absolute laughing stock of Europe. Totally agree with Mr A suggestion that these guys should be blackballed by every other league clyub, Pats should sack the lot of them and use the players from their U19/A Championship sides

You'll still be relegated though

Seriously thought, absolutely everyone involved in this should be ****ing ashamed of themselves for letting it get to this. And we always wonder why the vast majority of people in this country want nothing to do with the LoI... bull**** like this.

**dong** · 04/08/2011, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by KBurke

Easy solution Take the money from Delaney s wages. He wouldn't notice 20K going from his �400,000 salary

Hold on there now a minute!
He still owes us 5 grand as far as I'm aware.

**Charlie Darwin** · 04/08/2011, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

If the PFAI sanction the action, it'd be the union that would be liable as far as I'm aware. Which is why SIPTU et al will only sanction action if correct procedures have been followed, and can be proven to have been followed.

I think the PFAI's links to SIPTU are more symbolic than anything. Employees go on strike; self-employed workers like footballers just breach their contracts.

**paul_oshea** · 04/08/2011, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

no dig intended you brought galway into it , its not fair a team that is all up for sale and is no good being in the league. You are defunct thats a fact not me wumming you. players the world over get bonuses to give incentitive why is loi so special. people on here whinging about standard then dont want players to get extra to push them. if you choose to work abroad whenever your boss says so for no extra money than you would have at home then thats your choice but (except for the situation in your country where you really have no choice anymore but to be happy with anything) i cant understand why you would. its not part of your reg job.

You have never worked away from your regular place of work then, obviously.

**dong** · 04/08/2011, 11:54 AM

The issue here is about whether these players are holding Pats to ransom over money that was never due to them.
Nothing to do with the pros and cons of bonuses. Why are some people on here so retarded?

**Macy** · 04/08/2011, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I think the PFAI's links to SIPTU are more symbolic than anything. Employees go on strike; self-employed workers like footballers just breach their contracts.

Surely they're fixed term contracted employees, not self employed? To be honest I'm not sure how that effects things, probably not much from the workers right to strike side given the way legislation is generally geared in favour of the employer. I hope it's just symbolic regarding SIPTU, as they're embarrassment to the whole Trade Union movement imo.

**prince20** · 04/08/2011, 11:56 AM

FAI have now agreed to mediate between players and club in dispute.

**harleyleeds** · 04/08/2011, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

You have never worked away from your regular place of work then, obviously.

of course i have paul we get paid for the inconvenience of being away from home.

**Mr Maroon** · 04/08/2011, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by prince20

FAI have now agreed to mediate between players and club in dispute.

The game is off so!

**dong** · 04/08/2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

people on here whinging about standard then dont want players to get extra to push them.

This has nothing to do with the Pat's case ffs. The players should have negotiated and agreed their bonus entitlements etc before the season began and not be holding the club to ransom now.

**harleyleeds** · 04/08/2011, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by dong

The issue here is about whether these players are holding Pats to ransom over money that was never due to them.
Nothing to do with the pros and cons of bonuses. Why are some people on here so retarded?

i guess everyone cant be as clever as you but having said that if the money paid is not money due then its a bonus

**Longfordian** · 04/08/2011, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Surely they're fixed term contracted employees, not self employed? To be honest I'm not sure how that effects things, probably not much from the workers right to strike side given the way legislation is generally geared in favour of the employer. I hope it's just symbolic regarding SIPTU, as they're embarrassment to the whole Trade Union movement imo.

Yes they're contract workers for PAYE purposes so they'd be treated as such under all other employment regulations.

**born2bwild** · 04/08/2011, 12:02 PM

What a shambles. How did it get to this?

**dong** · 04/08/2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by harleyleeds

i guess everyone cant be as clever as you but having said that if the money paid is not money due then its a bonus

You can't anyways.

**SuperSaint91** · 04/08/2011, 12:06 PM

Game on According to daniel McDonnell on twitter.Hope he's right. Both club and players are at fault here but The players will not be forgivien

**pineapple stu** · 04/08/2011, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I think I remember Scotland fulfilling a fixture a few years ago when the home side failed to turn up in protest. Lviv would at least have to be in the stadium at the time of kick-off.

Yeah, a game in Estonia when FIFA/UEFA said Estonia's floodlights weren't up to scratch and ordered a kick off change. Scotland had to tog out and the ref had to start the game before abandoning it.