SPA Players Unhappy

[Dodge]

Not according to Mr McGuinness last night

Didn't watch it but he's told lies in the past, and I've no doubt he'll tell them again

[Charlie Darwin]

Stephen McGuinness is a straight-up, honest man. Sure he's the leader of a union for god's sake!

[Spudulika]

Have to say the debate on MNS came across as pretty okay. I don't know how much I'd believe of Richie, he made some decent poitns but it was clear El Jefe from the PFAI didn't like some of the less than truthful things Richie had been spinning. The funny thing about Richie is he has so many stories, yet never seems to come up with the goods.

They all agreed on one thing, the league came out of it worse and all sides messed up.

[Ezeikial]

I don't know how much I'd believe of Richie, he made some decent poitns but it was clear El Jefe from the PFAI didn't like some of the less than truthful things Richie had been spinning.

What did Sadlier say or write that you believe is "less than truthful"?

The funny thing about Richie is he has so many stories, yet never seems to come up with the goods.

What does this mean?

[Spudulika]

Read some of his back articles, listen to some of his interviews. He's entertaining, not stupid, but certainly not what he tries to portray. He's a different voice but not reliable.

[Dodge]

Seeing as you were talking about the exchanges between McGuinness and Sadlier, would you care to stop waffling and answer Ezekial?

[Charlie Darwin]

The one that, at least from my recollection, McGuinness explicitly denied was that some players had offered to break the picket and fulfill the fixture. I don't think Sadlier took him up on it.

[sullanefc]

The one that, at least from my recollection, McGuinness explicitly denied was that some players had offered to break the picket and fulfill the fixture. I don't think Sadlier took him up on it.

I'd imagine if Sadlier took him to task over that issue, then he might have found himself in a situation where he would have had to name names to prove his point, or maybe say something that he didn't want to say on TV. He obviously didn't want to go down that route.

I found it stupid when McGuinness said that the players took to the field without any bonuses as if they should be applauded for it. Well why the f*ck did they ask for bonus so? And why did they threaten to go on strike?

[Dodge]

The one that, at least from my recollection, McGuinness explicitly denied was that some players had offered to break the picket and fulfill the fixture. I don't think Sadlier took him up on it.

McGuinness is 100% wrong on this. And no, I won't be naming names either

[A face]

Stephen McGuinness is a straight-up, honest man. Sure he's the leader of a union for god's sake!

Well he got his butt kicked and handed back to him on MNS, he came across and reactionary and OTT in the path he and the players chose, he also didn't come across well the way he delivered him side of the story, trying to shout down Richie and he cleared didn't have anything to come back with when Richie asked was every other option explored first.

The situation the players / manager / club / fans are in now is a disaster, and someone is gonna have to bite their tongue to resolve it. And all this is down to the way it was handled. McGuinness said the club wouldn't talk to him ... i'd love to know how he was asking?

Honest man, he doesn't seem to be now ..... and 'leader of a union' doesn't mean he is a good one, or at least he could have done alot better on this occasion.

[pineapple stu]

I'd be fairly sure that was sarcasm...

[Dodge]

The situation the players / manager / club / fans are in now is a disaster

The situation is finished. Sure there'll be lingering feelings form some, but vast majority agree its time to move on

[Macy]

The most striking thing was that the PFAI were unable to deny that the strike would have been illegal. An extraordinary situation for a representative body to place itself in.

I raised this earlier in the thread about the legality. In the union they are affiliated to, there's no way the union would sanction action in such circumstances - you'd have to be able to prove that you'd followed any agreed procedures, gone through the appropriate dispute resolution mechanisms, properly balloted for action (properly audited ballot), and then given the appropriate notice. In a proper Trade Union (despite some of the comments here) strike is that very last option, not the first. And then you have the tweets...

[A face]

I'd be fairly sure that was sarcasm...

I know but i'm just reiterating really

The situation is finished. Sure there'll be lingering feelings form some, but vast majority agree its time to move on

Like any strike, when the trade union leaders and ambulance chasing politicians looking for the newspaper head lines are gone its the people in the work place who have to suck it up. I think most people then realise its best to just get on with it, its not like the TU Leaders or politicians are actually gonna do anything for ya.

I raised this earlier in the thread about the legality. In the union there are affiliated to, there's no way the union would sanction action in such circumstances - you'd have to be able to prove that you'd followed any agreed procedures, gone through the appropriate dispute resolution mechanisms, properly balloted for action (properly audited ballot), and then given the appropriate notice. In a proper Trade Union (despite some of the comments here) strike is that very last option, not the first. And then you have the tweets...

In short the players hadn't a leg to stand on.

[Spudulika]

Seeing as you were talking about the exchanges between McGuinness and Sadlier, would you care to stop waffling and answer Ezekial?

Calm down Richie, you can explain yourself :-)

[Macy]

In short the players hadn't a leg to stand on.

The union is the one with the issue if it sanctions what is in effect an illegal strike. The players would have the issue if they went on strike without union sanction, but iirc that'd be disciplinary action as an employee rather than the threat of being sued.

[Ezeikial]

Calm down Richie, you can explain yourself :-)

Is this the best you can do to back up your comments on Sadlier?

Based on this, I think it is fair to conclude that you were spouting drivel (shades of weecountyman again)

[passinginterest]

Is this the best you can do to back up your comments on Sadlier?

Based on this, I think it is fair to conclude that you were spouting drivel (shades of weecountyman again)

Spudu-lie-a?

[Dodge]

Calm down Richie, you can explain yourself :-)

Is this the best you can do to back up your comments on Sadlier?

Based on this, I think it is fair to conclude that you were spouting drivel (shades of weecountyman again)

Next he'll be calling it 'banter'...

[Spudulika]

Is this the best you can do to back up your comments on Sadlier?

Based on this, I think it is fair to conclude that you were spouting drivel (shades of weecountyman again)

While not wishing to lower myself to silliness, I'll let your false insinuation pass, as childish wumming is just that.

Read Richies articles in the Sindo and there are regular tales that seem to pass around every after dinner speech or gossip which seem to have taken place in or around Milwall. It's his concern and it's at least an Irish person telling them. Richie made claims even on the radio about what was going on inside the Pats camp which ran outside the lines taken by the club and PFAI, now either he was being straight or sensational, I don't think he was being fully truthful and while he wouldn't name names (even Dodge has names he won't name) and rightly so because there would be a backlash against the ones who were hardline, he could have left it out altogether instead of saying it. Then again, he's with the Sindo so it sells. Hope that explains it and no more with the false insinuations. Thanks.

Passing interest, just that, nothing more.