Does the success of one team in Europe benefit the league as a whole?

**Shannonsider** · 22/09/2011, 4:40 PM

It has been seen in so many other countries over the years. One club pulls away both on footballing terms and economically after success in Europe. Everybody seems to think that Shamrock Rovers qualification to the Europa League will help the League as a whole but in my opinion it will only help Shamrock Rovers and it will leave the rest of the clubs trying to catch up, therefore leading to greater debt for the chasing clubs. Just a thought. Discuss your opinions.

**legendz** · 22/09/2011, 4:43 PM

This has been discussed before.

http://foot.ie/threads/154560-Does-t...gue-as-a-whole

**Shannonsider** · 22/09/2011, 4:50 PM

My bad

**legendz** · 22/09/2011, 10:13 PM

No worries. To answer the question, personally I think the likes of Derry and Sligo can do well in the Europa League. Both are well in contention for the league at the moment but if they are in the Europa League, they can look to make the play-off stage at least. Derry picked up a good fee for the McClean sale as well. The only way I can see a side possibly getting a real strong upper hand is by competing in the Champions League group stages. That's where the bigger bucks are earned.

**Acornvilla** · 23/09/2011, 4:43 PM

Yep rovers already held all the aces before making the groups, I don't think it will make much difference unless they can make the groups again next season.

**Shannonsider** · 28/09/2011, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by Acornvilla

Yep rovers already held all the aces before making the groups, I don't think it will make much difference unless they can make the groups again next season.

It will certaintly make a difference to Rovers. But as an experience games like this do not help attendances as a whole in the League. For example I often talk about LOI in college with the lads in my course and they turn a blind eye to it. People want to ignore the LOI because it makes them feel less gulity about walking around in their United, Liverpool jerseys etc.. so when Rovers are knocked out of the Europa League and the hype is over, do you thinl these people will began attending games. Not in my opinion? Its a deep lying problem as discussed on here. Maybe it may help Shamrock Rovers financially but hopefully they will progess in Europe without pulling away from the rest of the League both on and off the pitch.

**legendz** · 01/12/2011, 2:07 PM

Are Rovers likely to pull away from Sligo and Derry? I wouldn't be so sure as as mentioned, Derry got good money for McClean. There are other good revenue streams.

I'd rate Rovers getting to the group stages being good for the league but for the league it will have to be consistent and not consigned to being a once off. Rovers have had it tough going but the experience will do them good. If the league can have 1 or 2 clubs in that stage on a regular basis, the league will deserve certain respect for being at a certain level.

**Charlie Darwin** · 01/12/2011, 2:51 PM

Money doesn't have anything to do with it. Unless Rovers start making so much money they can buy better players from abroad, the dynamic's not going to change that much because you can still only have so many players in your squad. If anything, it looks like Rovers, Sligo and Derry are pulling away from Pat's, Bohs and Dundalk.

**Dodge** · 01/12/2011, 3:02 PM

What have Derry done to make you think that?

**Charlie Darwin** · 01/12/2011, 3:04 PM

I should rephrase: Pat's, Dundalk and Bohs are pulling away from Rovers, Sligo and Derry, who are more or less standing still at the moment.

**Dodge** · 01/12/2011, 3:08 PM

I think Derry are sliding back too. But fair enough

**askmehoop** · 01/12/2011, 4:14 PM

i think success breeds success, the performances from the likes of pats, derry and cork over the last few years i think played a small part in rovers performances in europe. It showed to other teams and players that we can compete and win at this level, the teams going into europe next year will look at rovers and say if they can do it then so can we, maybe not group stage but certainly the latter stages of qualifying and who knows, with a bit of luck anything can happen.

**Dodge** · 02/12/2011, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by askmehoop

i think success breeds success, the performances from the likes of pats, derry and cork over the last few years i think played a small part in rovers performances in europe

Without trying to claim any of your success, they played a HUGE role in rovers progressing as if it wasn't for others, you wouldn't have been seeded in the first round, when you faced a woeful Tallinn side. Lose in that round to a seeded side and you were done for the year

Beating Partizan was all your own work

**legendz** · 02/12/2011, 2:16 PM

Was the removal of Derry and Cork from the Premier a few seasons back a help for Rovers? I don't want to take away from Rovers success but I think the league was a bit easier following the demotion of both clubs for non-football reasons. We've seen Derry do well this year in their first season back in the Premier. I doubt Cork can have the same impact of Derry on their return but in the next few years they should be back challenging near the top.
I agree with Charlie, unless Rovers can bring in better players from abroad, they are not going to pull away. I don't think they have that money? I think the top 3 from this year can push each other over the next few years. I can't see one at moment pulling away from the others. Cork will probably get into the mix as well. As for other clubs, I'm not so sure but who knows?

**Spudulika** · 03/12/2011, 6:51 AM

Rovers have used their income wisely in the last few years, they have a purpose built stadium, support from the local council and a large fan base. They were consisent at ome when other clubs wobbled (on and off the field) and caught a good tail wind in Europe - which is what matters. If they want to make the group stage of the EL again next season they have to invest by bringing in more than rejects from english clubs, but they need to do it wisely. Cork, Derry and Pats can do the same with continued good fan support and stability at board level. Sligo have the fanbase and can round out the top 5. The rest of the league, with all due respect, is playing catch up. The Shels board are not going to repeat mistakes of the past, Dundalk are Dundalk, UCD will continue to pull off decent wins and be a feeder club, Bray will do the usual and punch above their weight, Drogheda are in Brays position. Bohs have the fanbase but problems closing in,while Monaghan with El Rod in charge are never more thn 24 hours away from the next crisis. But this is how leagues are around the world, a strong club leads the way and the rest play catch up.

As for how our league is reflected in the foreign media thanks to Rovers - we're actually mentioned! Here I've been reading and listening to almost all positive reports from media on how Rovers came and didn't just hang on for a draw, or how the fans kept supporting the team and how it's a good time for Irish football - Rovers and the LOI (including Pats) were even mentioned last night on Russia 1 during the draw for the Euro's, that wouldn't have been the case without this years improvements. It's now up to the other clubs to engage their fanbase to tap into the community for solid revenue streams. Next season I can see another club making the group stage.

**mypost** · 03/12/2011, 7:39 AM

Originally Posted by legendz

Was the removal of Derry and Cork from the Premier a few seasons back a help for Rovers? I don't want to take away from Rovers success but I think the league was a bit easier following the demotion of both clubs for non-football reasons.

It wasn't a help, we were already ahead of them by then.

The difference between us and other clubs in Europe is, we had the belief to go further, and they didn't. The rest were just happy to reach a certain round, and that was progress for them. We had to go to Partizan Belgrade in 35c of a sauna and win in their backyard. It would have been easy to give it up like the others did for years, but we just keep battling away. That's why we're in the groups. With a more favourable draw next year, we have reason to be hopeful of surpassing this year's European achievements.

**legendz** · 03/12/2011, 9:32 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

It wasn't a help, we were already ahead of them by then.

The difference between us and other clubs in Europe is, we had the belief to go further, and they didn't. The rest were just happy to reach a certain round, and that was progress for them. We had to go to Partizan Belgrade in 35c of a sauna and win in their backyard. It would have been easy to give it up like the others did for years, but we just keep battling away. That's why we're in the groups. With a more favourable draw next year, we have reason to be hopeful of surpassing this year's European achievements.

I would not disagree with that. I know Sligo had a tough draw but I didn't think they acquitted themselves well at all this year. Last year Rovers acquitted themselves well despite having to bow out against Juventus.

**MMVIII** · 03/12/2011, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

It wasn't a help, we were already ahead of them by then.

The difference between us and other clubs in Europe is, we had the belief to go further, and they didn't. The rest were just happy to reach a certain round, and that was progress for them. We had to go to Partizan Belgrade in 35c of a sauna and win in their backyard. It would have been easy to give it up like the others did for years, but we just keep battling away. That's why we're in the groups. With a more favourable draw next year, we have reason to be hopeful of surpassing this year's European achievements.

What a load of nonsense.

**sligoman** · 03/12/2011, 8:23 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

It wasn't a help, we were already ahead of them by then.

The difference between us and other clubs in Europe is, we had the belief to go further, and they didn't. The rest were just happy to reach a certain round, and that was progress for them. We had to go to Partizan Belgrade in 35c of a sauna and win in their backyard. It would have been easy to give it up like the others did for years, but we just keep battling away. That's why we're in the groups. With a more favourable draw next year, we have reason to be hopeful of surpassing this year's European achievements.

Yeah sure we just went to Ukraine for the cheap fags so Cook could sell them when he got back. Didn't try to win the game at all.

**placid casual** · 03/12/2011, 8:24 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

It wasn't a help, we were already ahead of them by then.

The difference between us and other clubs in Europe is, we had the belief to go further, and they didn't. The rest were just happy to reach a certain round, and that was progress for them. We had to go to Partizan Belgrade in 35c of a sauna and win in their backyard. It would have been easy to give it up like the others did for years, but we just keep battling away. That's why we're in the groups. With a more favourable draw next year, we have reason to be hopeful of surpassing this year's European achievements.

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