Why a Celtic Cros?!?!

**liam88** · 28/06/2004, 10:14 PM

Why have neo-facist parties been using the Celtic cross in some form on flags etc.?

I wear a Celtic cross because I'm Irish and Ireland is one of the six Celtic nations.

Surley the neo-facists, who commonly associate with the loyalists in Northern Ireland, hold "anti-Celtic" principals, so why use a Celtic cross?

Anyone enlighten me?

**eoinh** · 28/06/2004, 10:23 PM

dont know. But dont assume that because celtic crosses are so familiar here that they dont have different meanings elsewhere. The swastika being an example or St Georges Cross.

And there are and were Irish Fascists. The Germans had their Brownshirts , we had our Blueshirts.

**liam88** · 28/06/2004, 10:32 PM

Aye thanks lads-I was looking around the web just after my post and I agree with Dav that it is simply a coicidence and not based on Celtic culture or tradition.
The Celtic crosses worn byme and all my family are totally different to the racist 'Celtic Crosses' which to be honest look more like crossheirs.

Aye Eoinh good point about things having different meaning else where, didn't quite understand your referance to the swastika and can't understand how the Celtic culture could ever be linked to white supremacy (mabye because the Celts werw white-but that's jsut crude

) however I get what you mean about SGC.

Even the Jack has a very different meaning when a young football fan hangs one out his window in England during the World Cup to when people stick them out their windows in Belfast on 12th July.

Cheers for the mail Dav-gonna have a look at it now.

**eoinh** · 28/06/2004, 11:13 PM

I think swastikas are found in other cultures - India? There they have nothing to do with nazis.

**Macy** · 29/06/2004, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by eoinh

I think swastikas are found in other cultures - India? There they have nothing to do with nazis.

Yeah, it's a symbol of peace or something. I know the bloke from Kula Shaker got into trouble for saying it was beautiful, but was a hippy into all things Indian....

btw Eoin, you could also include Mosely's Blackshirts in the list...

**liam88** · 29/06/2004, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by Conor74

Sometimes, I just love the tangled logic on this board! But why is the conclusion always, always 'Ireland/Nationalists good boys England/Loyalists bad boys'? Liam, there are LOADS Of neo-fascists in Ireland. Good Celtic supporting Catholic ones too!!

Ok fair play to ya (and I take it you mean Celtic as in the culture not the team when you mention Celtic supporting because I wasn't bringing the team into this

).

What I meant was that the BNP, Combat 18 etc. all seem to be on the Loyalist side, "no surrender to the IRA" and all that, hence the organised neo-fascist movement 99% of the time indentifies with the Nord Iron Loyalist movement.

**Macy** · 29/06/2004, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by liam88

Ok fair play to ya (and I take it you mean Celtic as in the culture not the team when you mention Celtic supporting because I wasn't bringing the team into this

).

Depends whether you were pronouncing Celtic correctly or not

**Peadar** · 29/06/2004, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

Depends whether you were pronouncing Celtic correctly or not

I'm sure he would have said "Selthick" if he was talking about the team

**sylvo** · 29/06/2004, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

I'm sure he would have said "Selthick" if he was talking about the team

Yawn zzzzzzzz

**Dodge** · 29/06/2004, 10:33 AM

You know the way fanatics in one country usually pick sides in every conflict (e.g. Republicans picking palestine adn loyalit picking israel...) well right wing groups in Italy have adopted the Irish nationalist cause as one of their own

**Peadar** · 29/06/2004, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by sylvo

Yawn zzzzzzzz

Now you know how many of us feel when we have to listen to the drivel spouted by celitc "supporters."

**sylvo** · 29/06/2004, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Now you know how many of us feel when we have to listen to the drivel spouted by celitc "supporters."

Again yawn zzzzzzz.

**dahamsta** · 29/06/2004, 11:30 AM

Less of the Celtic FC trolling. Macy, cop yourself on, you should know better.

adam

**dortie** · 29/06/2004, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

You know the way fanatics in one country usually pick sides in every conflict (e.g. Republicans picking palestine adn loyalit picking israel...)

Its not about 'picking sides', its about similarities.......

Republicans support palestinians because like the North of Ireland you have State 'legitamate' armies murdering innocent people, and a foreign government occupying another peoples territory. Plus one side is seen as terorrists and the other a legitamate army.

**dortie** · 29/06/2004, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

Why have neo-facist parties been using the Celtic cross in some form on flags etc.?

I wear a Celtic cross because I'm Irish and Ireland is one of the six Celtic nations.

Surley the neo-facists, who commonly associate with the loyalists in Northern Ireland, hold "anti-Celtic" principals, so why use a Celtic cross?

Anyone enlighten me?

Never came across this one, Interesting, where did you see this ??

**Dodge** · 29/06/2004, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by dortie

Its not about 'picking sides', its about similarities.......

Republicans support palestinians because like the North of Ireland you have State 'legitamate' armies murdering innocent people, and a foreign government occupying another peoples territory. Plus one side is seen as terorrists and the other a legitamate army.

So Italian fascists pick Irish republicanism because....

And the picking sides bit was more aimed at loyalists in response to republican's show of support for palestines...

**liam88** · 29/06/2004, 5:41 PM

Originally Posted by dortie

Never came across this one, Interesting, where did you see this ??

There's a bit about it here which sums up how they see it quite weel.. Try typing 'racist Celtic Cross' into google and you get quite a few similar things-I didn't visit many of them as some are actualyl racist web sites

I like the Celtic cross, I mean, it's Celtic-Irish, Scottish not racist or facist.

Aye the loyalist support for Israel deffinatley seemed to be a reaction to the Repulicans sympathy with the Palestinians.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the 'one struggle' for the simple reason that the two conflicts are fuelling each other on with money and weapons trades making peace pretty hard

PRetty interesting point about Americans giving money to Israel who give money to the UDA/UDF/UDV and then giving money to the IRA through Nor-aid, wierd

**brendy_�ire** · 29/06/2004, 8:57 PM

Originally Posted by liam88

Aye the loyalist support for Israel deffinatley seemed to be a reaction to the Repulicans sympathy with the Palestinians.

That, and some right wing fundementalist Protestants believe that once the Jews rule all of Palestine, Jesus will return to earth.

Liam, wouldn't take what ye see on that site too seriously. It's the Anti-Defamation League's site, a group of extreme Zionists who accuse anyone who comdemns Israel's actions of being a Nazi, think the UN is going to destroy Israel, etc, etc. Bunch of headcases really.

**Jaime** · 29/06/2004, 10:19 PM

Why should a kid hang a Jack out his window during the European Championships? The British Empire don't have a football team.

Dodge, the fascists love the self-sacrifice involved in the hunger strike, hence the Lazio flag for Bobby Sands etc etc (I think). I'm not sure they are that into the Irish struggle in general though, certainly not the Veronese on the BBC documentary who were accompanied by a Chelsea/C18 lad for their away trip to Atalanta.