Shamrock Rovers fans cancel bus services to Derry

[MariborKev]

Where's my Aslan CD,must stick on "Crazy World"

Rovers claiming police protection from a force for a state who they called Liam Coyle a traitor for playing for, Derry fans quoting the PSNI in defence. Jaysus.

[DannyInvincible]

The stewards in the ground are part of the safety problem there.

Go on...

PSNI say they can enter the stadium. So why have they told Rovers fans in the past that they won't go to the area and any incident must be reported at Strand Rd. station. These things do not add up.

When would the PSNI ever have told Rovers fans they would never go near the area? Why would they have said that when it just isn't true? I don't believe you.

And when they mention the Strand Road, I think they mean to ring them up before tomorrow night and have a chat about your concerns, as the supporters clubs concerned clearly haven't even done that yet, inexplicably.

(Edit: I've been corrected via PM and now believe you with regard to this event in 2007. It's very unfortunate and I don't understand the reasoning given by the PSNI myself, but they should still have been contacted by the supporters clubs on this occasion if there is a genuine fear for the general safety of those on buses and so forth.)

If you really want, I could go stand outside the Brandywell tonight and get a few photos of any passing patrol cars?!

Please do.

[dfx-]

Whatever the alleged reason for a non-response to an incident - and I believe it has already been pointed out to you that there are other means to report it - it does not automatically equate with the nonsense put out to the press by fans of shamrock rovers.

There are many other means of reporting it indeed. However it is reported, there was going to be no police response to the area because the police were not going to that area. This seems to be at odds with "it's not a no-go area", unless circumstances have changed.

There should be no bringing of stewards or using Derry stewards. There should be a visible legitimate police force presence in the area. If there is no problem in the area with the PSNI, why is there no visible PSNI presence..

horton, please do find the lesser spotted PSNI officer walking around in uniform on a matchnight in the area or even rarer, in the ground. A photograph would be more than I have ever seen.

[dcfc_1928]

We've had Bohs fans and Linfield fans arrested outside the stadium over the last few years - does that suggest that it is a no-go area for the police?

[mypost]

What's delusional about this. See below. You have seemed to have missed it before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fretxesAwI

It's called head in the sand. This shows your supporters involved in racist chants, not alleged racist chants, but showing them involved in racist chants and if you're in denial about that then you'll be in denial about everything else. It is a smokescreen.

....and wrong again. We know what that's about, and it's not denial, nor is it racism. Even if it was, it has nothing to do with our access to/from the Brandywell. The club was cleared of any racist chanting at the time.

Pats or other supporters don't have any trouble at the Brandywell.

.....wrong again. Evidence of it is in the very thread, from at least fans of 2-3 other clubs. Have a look.

Maybe one day, someday, you'll be right.

[Derry]

....and wrong again. We know what that's about, and it's not denial, nor is it racism. Even if it was, it has nothing to do with our access to/from the Brandywell. The club was cleared of any racist chanting at the time.



.....wrong again. Evidence of it is in the very thread, from at least fans of 2-3 other clubs. Have a look.

Maybe one day, someday, you'll be right.

Well if making monkey noises to a player is not racism, then no wonder you're in denial. Still can't get an answer outa of you to back up your comment regarding SEVERAL clubs having trouble at the Brandywell, no dates, no club names. Just a big smokescreen to hide your embarrassment of racism at your club.

[SwanVsDalton]

There should be no bringing of stewards or using Derry stewards. There should be a visible legitimate police force presence in the area. If there is no problem in the area with the PSNI, why is there no visible PSNI presence..

The PSNI believe the arrangements are acceptable. They have no issue with the level of security at Derry games and, contrary to the oft-stated belief here, have a continued valued input in providing that security. But they, and the club, are willing to listen to the concerns of any fans or clubs if they pick up the phone.

The PSNI, of course, do operate in Brandywell, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to take sole charge of large-scale security operations for Derry games. The difference between the two is obvious.

I'm sure there's a compromise here, but obviously Derry's 'unique and privileged position' meant Rovers didn't know the right area code to contact anyone for a chat.

[mypost]

Well if making monkey noises to a player is not racism, then no wonder you're in denial.

I'm not in denial. I was there that night, and I know what happened. It wasn't racism, but you've made up your mind that it was, even when the club was subsequently cleared of it.

Still can't get an answer outa of you to back up your comment regarding SEVERAL clubs having trouble at the Brandywell.

Don't have to. Simply scanning this thread will do that for you.

Just a big smokescreen to hide your embarrassment of racism at your club.

You still don't quite get it, do you?

The PSNI believe the arrangements are acceptable. They have no issue with the level of security at Derry games and, contrary to the oft-stated belief here, have a continued valued input in providing that security. But they, and the club, are willing to listen to the concerns of any fans or clubs if they pick up the phone.

The PSNI, of course, do operate in Brandywell, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to take sole charge of large-scale security operations for Derry games.

Policemen are supposed to police things. In Tallaght, the place is surrounded by cops for the more high-profile games. Escorting them across the motorway before and after the game, escorting them to/from the Luas, driving vans up/down the tram route, and together with the stewards, forming a "human wall" of a barrier after all games. The safety of everyone is their priority. In the Brandywell, it's a different story.

Fans of our club have contacted the police in the past over security incidents. The PSNI don't want to know. Derry want to wash their hands of anything outside the ground, and this stuff has been going on for too long with nothing done about it. So now the issue is in the open. It'll be up to 11 months before we go there again, that's more than enough time for those who have the power there to sort the issue out, to go and sort it out.

[HulaHoop]

What's delusional about this. See below. You have seemed to have missed it before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fretxesAwI

It's called head in the sand. This shows your supporters involved in racist chants, not alleged racist chants, but showing them involved in racist chants and if you're in denial about that then you'll be in denial about everything else. It is a smokescreen.

What's delusional is your hear noises like that and you want to believe it's racist chanting so you do believe it whether it's true or not. Have a look at the video below, go to 2.06 and tell me what you think of the noises in it. Then compare it to the noises on the Ndo video.

[DannyInvincible]

What's delusional is your hear noises like that and you want to believe it's racist chanting so you do believe it whether it's true or not. Have a look at the video below, go to 2.06 and tell me what you think of the noises in it. Then compare it to the noises on the Ndo video.

Aren't they singing "hoops, hoops..." there? Is that what they sing when Ndo gets the ball?... I'm not trying to have a go and I acknowledge the club was cleared, but it's all just a bit suspicious that chanting sounding distinctly like monkey grunting would just happen to start as soon as Ndo touches the ball accompanied by a backdrop of jeers, boos and whistles. Out of interest, what did the club argue? Was it coincidental?

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd be reasonably confident the Ndo clip is people monkey chants. I'd like to think those doing it were told to shut up.

[Red Star]

Do SRFC Ultras support this boycott or will they be taken part in the boycott?

[SkStu]

Do SRFC Ultras support this boycott or will they be taken part in the boycott?

they're boycotting this forum RedStar so, er, take what you want from that....

[dfx-]

The PSNI believe the arrangements are acceptable. They have no issue with the level of security at Derry games and, contrary to the oft-stated belief here, have a continued valued input in providing that security. But they, and the club, are willing to listen to the concerns of any fans or clubs if they pick up the phone.

You can believe anything you want to believe despite evidence to the contrary. Some people believe Bohs are a big club.

When the PSNI also stated that there had been no significant incidents in previous years, they can't honestly be looking to be taken seriously in anything they believe.

[Ezeikial]

Policemen are supposed to police things. In Tallaght, the place is surrounded by cops for the more high-profile games. Escorting them across the motorway before and after the game, escorting them to/from the Luas, driving vans up/down the tram route, and together with the stewards, forming a "human wall" of a barrier after all games. The safety of everyone is their priority.

This was certainly not the case for the Setanta Sports Cup Final when a group of "fans" ambushed Dundalk supporters after they had crossed over the footbridge going into the match.

[Charlie Darwin]

I wouldn't use the footbridge to be honest. Just follow the Rovers fans and you'll be fine.

[osarusan]

Aren't they singing "hoops, hoops..." there? Is that what they sing when Ndo gets the ball?... I'm not trying to have a go and I acknowledge the club was cleared, but it's all just a bit suspicious that chanting sounding distinctly like monkey grunting would just happen to start as soon as Ndo touches the ball accompanied by a backdrop of jeers, boos and whistles. Out of interest, what did the club argue? Was it coincidental?

That incident caused a couple of pretty bleak threads on here.

Firstly, the thread dealing with the weekend's games where the booing happened, in which a number of Rovers fans accepted that a handful of clowns had made monkey noises and condemned them just as other fans did.

Bizarrely, they then backed away from that admission, and claimed that the noises had been 'short booing', then chants of 'hoops', and finally that the video had been doctored (despite it being commented on while the game was in progress from the TV4 feed).

The whole thing was repeated when an investigation/inquiry found that there was 'insufficient evidence' to proceed (or words to that effect).

[mypost]

The whole thing was repeated when an investigation/inquiry found that there was 'insufficient evidence' to proceed (or words to that effect).

But apparantly, the video was "smoking gun" evidence according to some, and SARI of course. SARI have no interest in LOI football, and the case was thrown out when no racist behaviour was found.

[gufct]

been going to the Brandywell since Derry came back into LOI and never have had any problems only a warm welcome from everyone. Its great to see Rovers fans tellinjg Derry & the PSNI how to arrange security for a game ever so Ironic.

[Mario]

Do SRFC Ultras support this boycott or will they be taken part in the boycott?

There is no boycott, plenty of fans travelling their own way tonight.

SRFCUltras do not run buses to away games, so this whole thing is nothing to do with them!