Cork AUL 2011/12

**el nino coro** · 07/09/2011, 9:46 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefscout

Heard rumblings of a manager change at coachford?

Maybe martin stokes has lost the dressing room????

**bluey** · 07/09/2011, 9:53 PM

Thats proper order, ya might sound bad coming from me as an Leeside Supporter but i must say to add another game already to anyone at this stage of season when AOH/MunsterJunior and Fai Junior coming up would be madness i tell ya!!! Madness!!! It would be another weekend without league game, u would of been lucky to have 2 league games played by christmas.
Yes we where level on points,golas scored,goals conceded and goal difference so its obvious that next on the agenda is head to head result which was Leeside 1-0 Springfield, hence leeside put through.
On the matter of having someone at meeting tonight, was it not that the member who ye had up there tonight was there for disclipinary reasons re the match above!!!!

**Inswinger** · 07/09/2011, 10:53 PM

Just to confirm that Malcolm Stokes has resigned as manager of our club Coachford lads due to family commitments. I repeat family commitments. Malcolm made a great effort and contributed to a decent season last year and developed a great rapport with the players, alas life goes on and the Aoh beckons for us on Saturday away to Strand, a tricky local derby.

That comment you made chiefscout is pretty childish, grow up.

**Chiefscout** · 07/09/2011, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Inswinger

Just to confirm that Malcolm Stokes has resigned as manager of our club Coachford lads due to family commitments. I repeat family commitments. Malcolm made a great effort and contributed to a decent season last year and developed a great rapport with the players, alas life goes on and the Aoh beckons for us on Saturday away to Strand, a tricky local derby.

That comment you made chiefscout is pretty childish, grow up.

agreed and deleted...who is taking over?..must have been hard on stokes to travel from northside to coachford for training and matches so can see why he would be under pressure family wise

**el nino coro** · 07/09/2011, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefscout

agreed and deleted...who is taking over?..must have been hard on stokes to travel from northside to coachford for training and matches so can see why he would be under pressure family wise

Maybe there is a deal on offer to go back to his former club in kilcully??

**sharpshooter** · 08/09/2011, 8:10 AM

Originally Posted by Inswinger

Just to confirm that Malcolm Stokes has resigned as manager of our club Coachford lads due to family commitments. I repeat family commitments. Malcolm made a great effort and contributed to a decent season last year and developed a great rapport with the players, alas life goes on and the Aoh beckons for us on Saturday away to Strand, a tricky local derby.

That comment you made chiefscout is pretty childish, grow up.

heard also that ye are struggling for numbers inswinger pitty cause i taught ye'd push on from last year this season..

**pacman** · 08/09/2011, 8:40 AM

Originally Posted by offside rule

*REVISION*

Now hearing that AUL are sending Leeside through from our Mossie Linane Group - on head2head basis.

Y would they request a member of our club & Leeside's to view flip of a coin(to detemine Home Adv in playoff) at an AUL meeting, and then decide the other option.
Have a few theories myself - would love to speak my mind regarding, but seen as it may result in expulsion from this forum and also seen as this is a public forum - wouldnt want to bring bad vibes to the Club! . . . I'll keep them to myself(for now!).

Regardless of the decision Im just glad it wasnt a coin toss. At least now there must have been a discussion, a logic proccess, a decision and I assume a vote. Having a toin coss just makes a joke of everything.
And to be fair ye could only gain from a toin coss, whereas Leeside could only lose from it.

Did ye get an explanation as to how they arrived at their decision?

**Horse24** · 08/09/2011, 12:11 PM

Its this kind of thing that drives clubs crazy. The FAI moaned and groaned, and rightly so, when FIFA only made up their play off rules halfway through the qualifying a few years back. Have the rules before a ball is kicked and everyone knows where they stand

**Inswinger** · 08/09/2011, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefscout

agreed and deleted...who is taking over?..must have been hard on stokes to travel from northside to coachford for training and matches so can see why he would be under pressure family wise

I believe the committee are in the process of getting a new manager, hopefully somebody will be appointed asap, we ve Donal Moynihan and Paddy Martin in charge of us in the interm, whom we are extremly fortunate to have, nothing to do with myself im just a player.

Malcolm lives in North Cork not the city, so is closer to Coachford than Cork City and Kilcully. He played with Marys all his life and loves the club, no one in Coachford would deny that, he has genuine reasons for resigning lads at the end of the day its a game of ball not life or death.

Unfortuntely sharpshooter we've lost a few lads to emigration, i think nearly every club has so no point in complaining about it, just have to get on with it and hopefully someday they ll return.

**offside rule** · 08/09/2011, 4:57 PM

Originally Posted by pacman

Regardless of the decision Im just glad it wasnt a coin toss. At least now there must have been a discussion, a logic proccess, a decision and I assume a vote. Having a toin coss just makes a joke of everything.
And to be fair ye could only gain from a toin coss, whereas Leeside could only lose from it.

Did ye get an explanation as to how they arrived at their decision?

PACMAN - Think u might be taking the 'coin toss' thing up wrong. It wasnt a toss to see, if there would be a playoff(heads) or Leeside go thro'(tails) - but a coin toss to see who would have home adv in a playoff game between us & Leeside to determine who progresses.

We were aked to have a delegate of the club at an Aul meeting last nite to observe this coin toss(as requested by Aul) - (@Bluey),
Only to be informed that the Aul decided to send Leesid thro' on head2head.
Why request a delegate to attend for a reason, and then a matter of hours/days later change your decision.

**offside rule** · 08/09/2011, 5:11 PM

Bluey, can see your point re: fixture congestion!(especially seen as some of todays papers predicting more snow, as early as Oct/Nov!), by did the Aul decide and request a delagate of our club to observe a coin toss in order to determine home adv in a playoff game, and then a matter of hours/days later decide Leeside go thro' on head2head - joke of a decision I think. As 'horse' says below, all rules should be determined prior to competition starting.

Disciplinary reasons you speak about - the Springfield player who was sent off served one auto match ban vs Carrig, played vs Blarney and was then informed by Aul of a further two match ban(one vs Leeds last week and the other vs Bohs in Lge this Sunday) without getting his chance to go in front of any Aul board to explain his actions!. Referee's reports are fine to go on, but there all one-sided!!!.

**backpass** · 08/09/2011, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by offside rule

PACMAN - Think u might be taking the 'coin toss' thing up wrong. It wasnt a toss to see, if there would be a playoff(heads) or Leeside go thro'(tails) - but a coin toss to see who would have home adv in a playoff game between us & Leeside to determine who progresses.

We were aked to have a delegate of the club at an Aul meeting last nite to observe this coin toss(as requested by Aul) - (@Bluey),
Only to be informed that the Aul decided to send Leesid thro' on head2head.
Why request a delegate to attend for a reason, and then a matter of hours/days later change your decision.

I agree that the aul made a hames of it as usual and should not have requested a meeting between both clubs to toss a coin for home advantage in a playoff.But I think the end result was fair with leeside going through on the head to head.But I state again they made a hames of it as usual

**thebooboys** · 08/09/2011, 5:27 PM

(A) Leeside had no member present for any coin toss, we weren't told to????
(B) the discipline comment wasn't with regard to a player being sent off, I would imagine he meant the manager??
I think its logical that after goal difference you go to head to head but yes its a pity that all teams aren't aware of process beforehand.
I may be wrong but I think it's an FAI rule regarding head to head but am I open to correction on that.

**pacman** · 08/09/2011, 8:53 PM

Originally Posted by offside rule

PACMAN - Think u might be taking the 'coin toss' thing up wrong. It wasnt a toss to see, if there would be a playoff(heads) or Leeside go thro'(tails) - but a coin toss to see who would have home adv in a playoff game between us & Leeside to determine who progresses.

Ya took it up all wrong.

**freddieflinston** · 08/09/2011, 10:32 PM

I think the right decision was made in relation to the leeside/springfield situation but it should never have come to this

As for the sending off : Anytime a player is sent off he is automatically expected to attend the next disciplinary meeting
I dont know when the latest one was on but maybe ye're player missed it??? if he did they make their own decision without the player being there

**offside rule** · 08/09/2011, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by backpass

I agree that the aul made a hames of it as usual and should not have requested a meeting between both clubs to toss a coin for home advantage in a playoff.But I think the end result was fair with leeside going through on the head to head.But I state again they made a hames of it as usual

Would have to say if it was explained to all clubs at the outset of the comp, the way things were decided if indeed teams finished level on pts, goal diff etc., what the process was with regard to who progresses - and all clubs notified of this, I too would be in agreement of the head2head result had this been made clear at the beginning.
But as for the AUL's rulebook(make it up as you go along), its a joke. One minute its a playoff and the next its head2head results!.
In fairness its only a 5team league comp, it doesnt take a genius to figure out that the laws of average will throw up this circumstance(level pts, level goal diff, etc.) - my issue is with our Geniuses up in AUL HQ who didnt have rules in place at the start of the competition explaining this circumstance.

Furthermore, and this one baffles me. Yes PACMAN we asked clarification on this from the AUL and do you know what reply we got from our 'INTELLECTS' in HQ . . . . . that the Aul doesn't recognise/use goal difference in their league competitions, and then they made a point in saying to us, - 'that they informed us of this last season when we were neck&neck with Carrig for promotion'.
So if the dont use goal diff - then why weren't Springfield sent thro' in Mossie Linane Group cos when we had a better head2head vs Blarney... Some tools they are!.

Move over FIFA & FAI -we have a new half shagged delagation trying to run a football league!!!.

**thebooboys** · 08/09/2011, 11:28 PM

Understand the grievance but point to note - in the other Mossie groups teams level on points have been positioned with regard to their superior/inferior goal difference.

Example: Greenwood placed ahead of Kinsale
Macroom placed higher than Knockavilla

So on that minor point they are being consistent. And those finalised Mossie tables were published on the AUL site PRIOR to the "decision" last night.

**bluey** · 09/09/2011, 12:00 AM

Look offside, i know ye do feel hard done by and thats fair enough. Head to head was suppose to be there first day.... We simply stated that in the AUL rule book there was nothing about head to head, but in the FAI rule book it does state that it goes head to head. Therefore FAI rule book overules the AUL book where it should have been first day..
Re: sending off, i was speaking about the sending from line and not the player sent off from play!!! And i think all clubs should know by now that if you get sent off (regardless what sending off was for) yo must attend the next disclipine meeting which is every wed night.

**Innishvilla** · 09/09/2011, 8:07 AM

Originally Posted by offside rule

'that they informed us of this last season when we were neck&neck with Carrig for promotion'.

It has always (as long as I've been involved) been the position that promotion and league titles are not decided in the AUL by goal difference - this is due to numerous reasons but mainly to avoid suspicious 10:0 end of season results or the fact that a team giving a 3:0 walkover doesn't prevent a side from progressing due to goals difference...

It looks like they made an error in the mossie - not making the rules clear. It is a shame but I am getting a bit sick of the AUL bashing... If people think they can do a better job then why not volunteer, running 9 leagues with about 10 other cup competitions - throw in clubs folding etc... it is no easy job.

On the suspension - you get sent off you can attend next disiplinary meeting (if you choose) if you don't decision is taken in your absence.

**offside rule** · 09/09/2011, 10:26 AM

RE: Sending Off!,
just a quick note for all ye 'attend a disciplinary meeting' experts out there.
The player served a one match auto ban. The club then received a written letter from AUL stating the player was suspended for a further 2games - never was informed of any meeting or requested to attend anything.
Again another example of the Aul going off on their own tangent(making their rules), away from so-called normal proceedues!.

Lads a final note on the head2head issue. As I previously stated, if head2head is to be the outcome so be it - but state it clearly at start of competition, dont wait for outcome to happen and then make multiple decisions of, goal diff, playoff(coin toss), head2head, etc . . . Have the rules clearly stated at the outset.

Finally,
a) AUL seem to be geting themselves in an awful muddle-up IMO!, they say goal diff is not recognised - so why would Blarney be down as top of our group ahead on Leeside & ourselves then, an also as 'boo' said earlier 'Greenwood placed ahead of Kinsale & Macroom placed higher than Knockavilla'
b) If head2head or playoff is to be the result of teams tied on level pts, then clearly state this!
c) If correct proceedure is for a player to attend a disciplinary meeting following sending off to explain his actions, then allow him so, without jumping to conclusions and taking one-side of the story(refs report)
- . Seriously HQ get ur house in order!