Would you like to see an All-Ireland representative football team?
We already have one. I think what question 1 is really asking or implying is would you like to see an all-Ireland football association?
ii) Do you think it will happen in the next 10 years?
Not in the next 10, not in the next 50, not in the event of an all-ireland geo-political entity, not even in the event of a 32 county socialist republican idyll benevolently led by the universally loved grandfather of the nation President Ruari O'Bradaigh. It won't happen.
iii) Should players born in the north be allowed play in the FAI team?
Yes, absolutely. though I'm uncomfortable with people being cuckoos eggs in the IFA setup ...no rules being broken but it's just a bit messy.
iv) Would an All-Ireland team increase the chance of major tournament qualification?
Barely. It could possibly mean gaps created by injuries and withdrawals would be more easily plugged but it would scarcely mean a measurable jump in quality. Anyway, it's an angels on pinheads discussion, it's not going to happen.
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The "technical notes" on how the survey is conducted should be in the link.Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Regarding how people voted at the recent Assembly elections, less that 55% of people eligible to vote bothered their arse to do so.
In the event of a Border Poll, one could expect the percentage voting to increase quite dramatically.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Why would we need a 'border poll' for a UI soccer team??
It's not been needed for rugby, cricket, hockey, boxing, golf etc.
I think it's really asking 'Do you think there shouldn't be a NI team for its fans to support'? So far on this thread, 12 of 21 RoI fans offering an opinion agree. Even though they already have an effective all-Ireland team to support, which welcomes fans and players from all over Ireland and beyond.
Not nice, regardless of whether the dirty dozen and the many who agree with them are daydreamers, bored sh*itstirrers or just deluded.
Simply because none of these associations split. They didn't have the Belfast-centric problems that saw to the FAI being formed.
This aspect if the argument is redundant and drives me bananas Everytime it's mentioned.
You are getting sloppy with your arguments.
If said dirty dozen "welcomes fans and players from all over Ireland and beyond" why would their motivation in joining forces with their nearest neighbours be that of "daydreamers, bored sh*itstirrers or just deluded"?
Ha. I love the irony of your posts. Very entertaining.
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Folding my way into the big money!!!
Er, because they seem unable to grasp that it's possible to include all and sundry in their own team without having to exclude other fans from supporting a different team?
If your arguments were any sloppier they'd be on the lunch menu at Portlaoise.
My pleasure. But look, here's the deal. I'll stop narking if you stop deluding about abolishing my football team.
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But they welcome the creation of a new entity - so called "all Ireland" team. It wouldn't be a continuation of their current "own team".
The same old RoI team playing all its home matches in the RoI, surrounded by RoI symbolism, inheriting the RoI's historical record. Similar to the RU team really, only on a bigger more visible scale. But, as I may have mentioned, even if it lined up in front of a muriel of King Billy's horse, ran out to the strains of Aghalee Heroes and had nothing but oranges at half-time we just aren't interested. Stop stirring.
Well I would call it aspirational more than delusional. if it never happens then it's not the end of the World. But I'm certainly not getting angry about it.
And you must remember, it would be abolishing my football team as well.
Instead we would have one team that plays in green from the island of Ireland. (We can even bring back the away Orange jersey to help you acclimatise a little easier)
Compromises would have to be made by both sides, sure, but our similarities far outweigh our differences and that's why I think it makes sense.
Folding my way into the big money!!!
i) Would you like to see an All-Ireland representative football team?
No. I used to in the past but I just don't think it would work out. Too much animosity on both sides.
ii) Do you think it will happen in the next 10 years?
No chance. The blazers on both sides don't want to dilute their perks.
iii) Should players born in the north be allowed play in the FAI team?
No. It makes me a little uncomfortable to see the likes of Gibson playing for us. I know about the GF agreement etc but I agree with the Norners somewhat who say it is a jurisdiction issue not necessarily a political issue.
iv) Would an All-Ireland team increase the chance of major tournament qualification?
No because we're both pretty much shyte.
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This sentiment intended here was in fact the total opposite of how you have interpreted it, you are so busy and intent on saying No, you dont even understand whats actually being said to you. And in those circumstances, of little value to a debate.
I'm sure you will dismiss this as stirring, or daydreaming, or whatever it is you need to tell yourself.
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Reading that makes me a little unconfortable.
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No, it's delusional not just if you think the 'merged' team would be much stronger, but also as you seem to think there's any chance of us (NI fans) agreeing to it.
It wouldn't in practice, as described above. But even if it was, there's a difference between voluntering to dissolve and having it imposed on you.And you must remember, it would be abolishing my football team as well
Stop stirring.
You mean mural.
I'm not talking about anything being imposed on anyone.
If the people and the associations don't want it to happen it won't happen.
If they come to their senses and decide to unite then it will happen.
Nothing will be forced on anyone.
It would hardly make for a healthy association if it were to be operating under force.
Folding my way into the big money!!!
It isn't a jurisdiction issue though. Where does jurisdiction come into it? It's an issue of national identity which is the foundation of national teams, according to FIFA and most international football fans, I would have thought. When a player possesses a permanent nationality not dependent on residence, he's eligible to play for a particular country irrespective of the jurisdiction within which he was born. It's how the likes of Ciaran Clark or Kevin Kilbane qualify to play for us and it's how the likes of Darron Gibson qualifies to play for us.
OK, funny boy. Let's go through it again. In answer to the clearly implied question 'Do you think the NI side should be abolished' you said, "Yes, its where we will eventually end up". How exactly else do you suggest I interpret it?
Ha ha.I understand what you wrote. If it wasn't what you meant to write, or you now realise it's self-contradicting, say so. We all make mistakes. But ultimately if you don't want to debate with NI fans, don't. No-one's forcing you.you are so busy and intent on saying No, you dont even understand whats actually being said to you. And in those circumstances, of little value to a debate
Got it in one, Einstein.I'm sure you will dismiss this as stirring, or daydreaming, or whatever it is you need to tell yourself
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