The only man talking any sense on here.Originally Posted by Slash/ED
Sorry, I got the Romania and Czech match mixed up and forgot he played aganist Nigeria
Either way, he was man of the match in a recent Irish match against Euro 2004 calibre opposition.
"Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee."
And I suppose Kavanagh plays a higher calibre of opposition every week?
I dunno what kind of eejits we have who think Kavanagh should play ahead of Milller, more than likely, sour, bitter and twisted Celtic fans though.
Trust me, all you Kavanagh fans will realise in 6 months time how ridiculous you arguement is, just as most of you have probably finally realised that Duff should play on the left ahead of Kilbane.
I wonder how that problem could be corrected.
I'd still go for Reid in the middle with Keane and Miller on the right, or the other way around. These guys need to play alongside Roy before he retires, it will stand them in good stead in the future, as well as now, because if Reid and Miller play, we qualify, gaurenteed.
I think I'm the only person defending Kavanagh. Believe me, I wish Miller all the best and I hope he turns out to be twice the player of Kavanagh.
i would go
Duff---Holland---Roy. Keane---A.Reid
Holland is experienced, not too old, keeps the ball well and has a great shot.
Ive not really seen enough of Miller or Kavanagh to judge them well, but I will say this they would have to be special players to start ahead of that selection (IMO). They could always be chucked on as subs to change a game. Ive seen Healy play a few times and to be honest I dont think he's one of our better players, hes ok maybe in an emergency but I would be telling I lie if I said I'd like to see him start important matches for us.
I dunno who should play up front for us tho. Robbie Keane is an obvious choice and IMO our best player over the past 5 years. I duno who I would pick with him. Lee gives us options in the air, but sadly I dont think he's technically that gifted, hes a bit like Quinn was. He could frighten opposition defences, but he might cause us to play hoof and hope - he's a great option to have on the bench. I like Morrison as a footballer, hes quick and if he has time can finish, his form's dipped a bit, but I'd be tempted to start with him. Connolly, well I dont know, I dont really like him as a player, sometimes he does well but I dont think he's a true great - I just dont have confidence in him when hes on the ball, again he's ok for the bench but its worrying when he starts. Those are the main candidates, are there any other decent ones i've missed out or perhaps a few young ones who might come through. The Arsenal lad, Bently, hes not Irish is he ?? I know they used to have a decent young Irish player, but I might be confusing him with Stack (the keeper) or the lad who went to Brighton (Barratt was it ?).
Was it Spurs
Ya but in fairness Lee Carsley made the Irish squad for 8 years.
Graham Barrett has done really well in the last couple of games for us and if he gets a good run with coventry then he should be in the squad. We have so many stupid comments on here calling kilbane kinsella and holland donkeys yet these clever people who make these comments dont have people who can replace them !
In fairness now boss, I think that anyone who suggested that Kilbane, Kinsella and Holland were donkeys, touted the likes of Reid and Miller as replacements.
I can't believe Miller is topping the pole. What we need in the middle of the park primarily is 2 ball winners who can retain possession and pass the ball. Let Duff and Reid on the wings crack the defense. We have not seen enough of Miller at full international level though he excelled at U21 level and has looked good largely in cameos for Celtic. As of now I think Mattie Holland is the obvious partner for Keane. I need to see Miller do it for the full 90 at senior level on a consistent basis. Also bear in mind he will probably be playing in the ManU reserves next season while Holland will be captaining Charlton. Kilbane may be the next best option to Holland.
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What makes you so sure he'll be playing reserve team football next season? the Man U staff have been talking him up recently saying he could be the signing of the season, they hardly mean for the northern reserve league do they?
And Holland isn't much of a ball winner really.
No, he's not and he is generally a quite poor passer too.
I hope by Christmas I can vote for Miller but right now with what I have seen I have to wait. He has the potential to be a very very good player, and I hope he makes it into the ManU first team soon but there is a lot of competition. I think for the competitive games coming up it would be wreckless to throw in Miller and I'm 100% sure Kerr will play Holland alongside Keane if both are fit.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind
Arjen Robben had little or no international experience before Euro 2004, and had only played a couple of Champions League matches with PSV. Other than that, he has only played in the Dutch league, which is comparible to the Scottish league.
Yet he is easily Holland's player of the tournament so far.
only 5 people voted for kavanagh so thats a nonsense argument
it's either miller or holland but then kerr hasnt realy gone to to much trouble to play miller has he and I doubt he'll play him in the centre for big games
far more likely to put holland in as he hasnt really dirtied his copybook and has given no reason to be dropped (apart from being average)
miller will play on the right if he plays
kerr doesnt give a **** what the fans or press want - otherwise kilbane wouldnt be playing
not everyone is against kilbane and rightly so. He has proven himself in the last few games ( no not to be a donkey ) to be able to do a decent job in centre mid. I think its either him or matty really dont see any other contenders. Miller could do with putting on an extra stone and a run with manu as well. An odd game here and there for celtic shouldnt guarantee him a place against france !
Think that's a bit over the top. Opinion on Kilbane is very divided but many Irish supporters including myself thinks he deserves a place in the team.
Do agree that Kerr will do his own thing no matter what popular opinion is though and that's a good thing.
I doubt most Irish fans want Kilbane in the team.
I can honestly say that I do not know one person who thinks that Kilbane is a good player. The only people I have ever encountered who seem to have such an opinion are on this forum.
well the kilbane things was just an example as he's the only player who starts regularly that would have a fair share of fans and press keen to be rid of him.
on a positive spin kerr has only had low-key friendlies to play lately so was under little pressure to play to the crowd
I reckon come sept he'll keep his own counsel and if miller is up to it he'll play but and it's a big but - no one really know exactly what miller is capable of based on a few sh!te friendlies and a couple of games for celtic
yes he was too good for the SPL but so are a lot of people. Robben was playing in holand - massive difference
miller may play but it won't be centre mid unless holland is unavailable
There was a poll on this forum after Kilbane's last game against the Czech's and 5/6 of people said Kilbane should start for the qualifiers (a total of 60 people voted). Fair enough, Keane has come back but when you consider the other contenders for the midfield spots, thats a very high amount.
As for your last comment, this is one of two forum's (that I know of anyway) that were opened to talk about Irish football (domestic and international). Therefore, don't you think the people on those forums would know best?
BTW - I don't actually think Kilbane should start but to say he's not a good player is ridiculous. You seem to get the best 11 in your head and whenever another players is mentioned you have to slate him. Holland is a poor passer and tackler. Delap and Kavanagh are grafters who can't pass, hold possession or make runs into the opposition's box. Stephen Reid is a waste of space. Kibane is a muppet and doesn't have the ability to (do something he does week in, week out for Everton) go around a man. Breen is an embarrassment. These are just a few comments I saw by looking through a few of your posts. I didn't see your ideal starting 11 but I'm pretty sure I could name it from reading your posts.
Agree about Kilbane not being a good player, at least in terms of technique and finesse. He is the winger as workhorse, a latter day Tony Galvin, he has a good engine with two left feet or maybe 2 right feet in this case. Not very bright.
But I don't question his work ethic and his willingness, but Duff has that in spades as well and Jesu Christi we must play Duff on the left wing. It is tough enough gettings real wingers like Duff to be consistent but to play them out of position is a waste of time.
So if Kilbane is to play I would rather he play in the middle with Keane where he can just roll his sleeves up and get stuck in.
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