QuoteThis applies to both cases by the sound of it, and it'll be hard for the FAI to reach any conclusion other than an 'insufficient evidence to proceed' if it is just one man's word against another.Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I'd love to see some of the posters on here sitting on a jury in a criminal trial. One man's word against another = convict, or else it's an FAI/Model Club conspiracy.
I'd like to think it's all a big misunderstanding for obvious reasons. Zayed seems like a thoughtful bloke who wouldn't throw around serious accusations without merit. If the accused player is who I think it is, from what I know of him (not personally) I'd be more inclined to believe Zayed. But if there's no corroborating evidence then it's just one man's word over another and any positive ruling from the FAI would have serious legal implications.
This applies to both cases by the sound of it, and it'll be hard for the FAI to reach any conclusion other than an 'insufficient evidence to proceed' if it is just one man's word against another.
would the fact that he may have lied about it to your manager and board make a difference hoopy (thereby making SRFC look at best stupid and at worst complicit) if it turns out that he is found guilty?
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I agree with what you're saying CD - in particular if it's one man's word against the other then the FAI cannot rule on it. But:
I'd say this view has been pretty muted in the thread compared to some of the insinuations made about Zayed.
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Forget about racism: Is there anything more offensive than the term 'barstooler'?
most trials are one persons word against another. In cases where it is one persons word against another (e.g. rape) other evidence (including things such as believability and character) can lead to a court finding someone guilty. No legal implications whatsoever provided the FAI investigation is conducted fairly and properly.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Boco left because he saw the money in China, has absolutely nothing to do with McGuinness. He might be a bit of a mercenary but I'd still have him back today.
Does mypost's flying saucer have a time travel facility? We could go back in time to the very moment and sort all this out.
Yep, it goes both ways.
A criminal case can't be decided on one person's word against another. Even rape cases have physical evidence. That's not really the point though - at a civil trial, a judge could make a decision between Zayed's word and the Rovers player. The FAI's not a court and they don't have the authority to make that judgement unless there is significantly more evidence. Perhaps they'll find more evidence.
rape was merely an example of how an issue where it is one persons word vs another's can still prove guilt or innocence. I know the FAI is not a court, that is why i referred to it as the FAI investigation. Im not sure what the standard of proof they require is, they probably dont even know that themselves.
By the way, I agree they would need more evidence to make a decision, i was just saying that anything that is relevant can end up being acceptable evidence.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Yeah, you think your a cute hoor, but you're too feckin obtuse
Well what I mean is that the FAI is (in a sense) a media organisation and they have no more a right than the Evening Herald to make definitive judgements based on two people's contrasting stories.
no way CD. Do you really believe that?!
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The evidence in the Pats case is apparently a photograph. I kid you not. A photograph is supposed to show the type of abuse Zayed got
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They're governing body of the league. They can do whatever the hell they want.
Not quite - from the photographer on our forum:
"....I can tell you now, that myself and a Dublin based photographer heard this abuse, And that the Dublin based photographer reported it to a steward, I have the photographs of the section and one individual in particular who gave some serious abuse to Zayed. "
The photograph might help identify the indvidual involved - that's all.
No they can't. They're subject to the law like everybody else and publically declaring somebody guilty of racism without sufficient evidence is inviting legal action.
Why the "White Irish" prefix? Do you think it precludes the possibility that he might have been subjected to racist abuse or would make any abuse directed at him due to his Tunisian-Libyan descent somehow less serious?
Osarusan is correct though with the qualification that they must observe due process and employ fair procedures in conducting their investigation and arriving at their conclusion. They most certainly are not as limited in their authority as your post painted them.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
He's no more a mercenary then any of the current crop. He often said he found the cost of living in Ireland very expensive compared to north England and France.
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