QuoteThen why was he accused of 'racist abuse'?Originally Posted by CSFShels
To be fair it means he said what he was accused of saying, the FAI certainly aren't the judge of what constitutes racism and what doesn't.
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Then why was he accused of 'racist abuse'?
False hope is worse than no hope. Ask Sligo.
Because he said something derogatory relating to another man's ethnicity. It appears to me that the FAI have taken the sidestep as a result of the fact that the n word wasn't used.
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Ah well then that makes everything ok, doesn't it!Suppose Rovers are still the model club (my ass!) and and everybody will live happily ever after in Tallaght!!
Further evidence that Turner is not guilty of racism:
He has been sanctioned to a three game ban under FAI rule 88 which is
Had he been guilty of racism he would have been sanctioned under FAI rule 89 that McGuinness was and carries a five match ban.RULE 88. OFFENSIVE BEHAVIOUR
Any Participant who insults someone in any way, especially by using offensive gestures or language, may
be sanctioned with a suspension and/or fine and/or a ban on performing any football related activity.
RULE 89. RACISM
1. Any Participant, who publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a derogatory
manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other racist and/or
contemptuous act, shall be subject to disciplinary sanction. The relevant disciplinary body shall consider
and have the power to impose a suspension, fine and/or other sanction as deemed appropriate. In the case
of individuals, the minimum suspension shall be for a period of five matches.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha i'm sore laughing.
The only thing wrong with the FAI punishment was he should have got a 5 match ban. McGuinness's ban was for 5 matches and he owned up to it, which now shows that if you hide behind your racist comments and try to wriggle your way out of it you'll be better off. As for Turner being called an OB last night, lies lies lies, it never happened, but he was roundly booed for being the obvious racist that he is. If your club had any balls they would extend the ban and fine him, but last week rather than address the racism inherent in your club, your supporters will try to make another smokescreen. However the truth is now out there for all the world to see, and your denial brings nothing but more shame on your club and your supporters.
Also what a great win last. Have any of you seen better saves in all your life, as Gerrard Doherty showed without doubt who is the best goalkeeper in the league. The passion shown by a team of locals against the 'big club' was sight to behold. We may not win the league but we will show that the young local talent will only get to play when teams like the 'big club' stop paying big money to over sized heads.
We still don't know what he said though,do we? I've seen 'Gaddafi' and 'shoebomber' mentioned on here, but is it actually known what was said?
Did Turner admit saying something but argue that it wasn't racist? Or did he say that he had made no comment at all?
Nope. We don't know anything for sure except the FAI found Turner guilty of saying something serious enough to warrant a three match ban. But sure Zayed's a liar, his sister's a mouth and Delaney's a secret Candystripe so what do you expect?
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No, we don't know what was said, but look at the series of events like. Player gets accused of making racist comment, Shamrock Rovers and Shamrock Rovers fans up in arms claiming this didn't happen, none of the above claiming that an offensive comment was made but wasn't racist. It doesn't take a very intelligent mind to come up with the obvious fact that he has come out and called him something like 'Gaddafi' and the FAI have decided to sidestep calling it outright racism and take it as it is.
The fact that he has been found guilty in this situation speaks absolute volumes. If there was no racist intent in what Chris Turner said you can bet your life that the FAI would have steered miles away from dishing out a punishment.
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I think it's entirely possible that Zayed felt the manner in which he'd been insulted was racist (and a complaint was made accordingly), but the FAI decided that while it was offensive, it was not actually racist.
If that was the case, they definitely wouldn't have given a 3 match ban. You don't get a 3 match ban for calling someone a ****. It is clear that there is ambiguity within the FAI on whether the term constitutes racial hatred to an extent that one could be punished, of that I have no doubt. But the term used was obviously of ethnic nature. There is no doubt about that.
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Looks like the crap slideshow and the promise of free drink worked on the FAI then...
Kom Igen, FCK...
It's all kind of pointless talking about this without knowing what the comments were, but the FAI have a rule regarding offensive behaviour. Now, that rule is ignored by referees, players and managers alike probably a dozen time a game. But in this case, an investigation was launched into racist comments, and the FAI, having investigated, concluded that the comments (whatever they were) were offensive but not racist. Seeing as how they have a rule for offensive comments, they could hardly decide not to punish him.
That said, I wonder if a player dived to try and get a penalty, and was told to 'get up you f***ing w**ker' by an opponent, would the FAI pay any attention to a complaint over 'offensive behaviour'.
I agree with you that normally players don't get banned for insulting comments, but in this case, because of the investigation, the FAI may have felt that had no choice but to issue a punishment.
Maybe, although I would say very unlikely. The FAI/PFAI/Zayed/Shamrock Rovers should really come out and clarify what has gone on here. This level of ambiguity should not exist for what was such a serious accusation.
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I'd be highly surprised if the FAI issued any punishment for that comment, regardless of the investigation. They'd open themselves us to all sorts of claims and double standards.
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In all likelyhood comments made by Turner were meant with rascist undertones. Proving it is problematic due to subjectivity of the matter - I believe that Zayed was/is known as the Colonel due to his Libyan connection, Wasnt an issue until unrest in Libya i would say. Shams fans can claim all they like that Turner has been vindicated but he was given a lesser punishment on the technicality of ambiguity, not that he was not guilty of the intent to insult Zayed based on his ethnicity! Turner is not a pleasant individual, his off field behaviour while at Dundalk was pure scumbaggery, similar opinions in Sligo, never mind the starring role in footballing 'movie'. Therefore on the balance ofthings well... Actually he suits Shams perfectly, and it is not surprising how vehemently Shams fans are holding up the 'told ye so' card. Pats on the other hand moved swiftly to condemn behaviour of a section of their support.Their positive and proactive actions are reflected in the token fine of €200.
For what it's worth I think if Turner had've been found guilty of racism he should've got a 10 match ban. But he wasn't. People had already drawn their own conclusions before this was dealt with anyhow.
False hope is worse than no hope. Ask Sligo.
Where you at the match or did you hear this on tv? I never heard it! Your forums going nuts threatening to sue Derry for false racism charges
Wonder how they'll react when Chris Turner jumps out of the box wearing that Gestapo uniform?
FFS Rovers fans, forgetting about whatever was said or not said for a second, instead of acting put out by all this and coming across as vindicated and victimised, you need to ask yourselves the tough questions like what is the value of having a complete scuzzball like Chris Turner (whose moral fibre is non-existent) at your club and being banned for 3 important games of the season.
Time to get real lads and start asking the right questions. Who is going to step up within your ranks and be that person?
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