Trap contract?

**dotts101** · 16/06/2011, 10:36 AM

some french #@#@@~,

just realised my whole comment didnt appear in my previous post. , i was stating how the group was lost against israel, the debacle in tel aviv and abas suan, 2minutes and we would of won, and at landsdowne up by 2 and allow their cheating back into the game, their keeper should of won an oscar for his performance and getting doherty or cunnigham sent off????

**Macy** · 16/06/2011, 10:55 AM

If Ireland had gone straight from Kerr to Trap, I don't think there would be too many complaints. The problem was that Kerr was screwed over to give Staunton the job. Delaney's logic for sacking Kerr was to get a "world class" manager in ffs. And fook the senior players who didn't like the professional approach of Kerr too - it was "not fun anymore" - give me a feckin break.

**tetsujin1979** · 16/06/2011, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by dotts101

some french #@#@@~,

just realised my whole comment didnt appear in my previous post. , i was stating how the group was lost against israel, the debacle in tel aviv and abas suan, 2minutes and we would of won, and at landsdowne up by 2 and allow their cheating back into the game, their keeper should of won an oscar for his performance and getting doherty or cunnigham sent off????

neither, it was Andy O'Brien. The appeal was rejected and he has was suspended for the following game, away to the Faroes

**jbyrne** · 16/06/2011, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

We never "relied" on Gary Doherty, did we? We used him as a last resort many times. He came good in Georgia.

and albania at home when he scored in the last seconds in a 2-1 win

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Was Hughton not complicit in making those bad decisions? His ear was never far from Kerr's mouth

never been gone as hughton as a manager really. would be hugely disappointed if he was the next Ireland manager.

things could have fallen much better for kerr quite easily and qualification for the WC 2006 playoffs at least was very close.. duff hitting the crossbar just after israel equalised away (dont think it was ever shown on tv for some reason but i was behind the goal), losing a 2 goal lead to israel at home (the daft red card, gk shananigans, wasnt the first Israel goal a deflection?), osheas miss v france, ian hartes sitter missed against the swiss in the last match. if any of those games finished with a win to us we would have been in play off at least. all very borderline

**SwanVsDalton** · 16/06/2011, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

and albania at home when he scored in the last seconds in a 2-1 win

never been gone as hughton as a manager really. would be hugely disappointed if he was the next Ireland manager.

things could have fallen much better for kerr quite easily and qualification for the WC 2006 playoffs at least was very close.. duff hitting the crossbar just after israel equalised away (dont think it was ever shown on tv for some reason but i was behind the goal), losing a 2 goal lead to israel at home (the daft red card, gk shananigans, wasnt the first Israel goal a deflection?), osheas miss v france, ian hartes sitter missed against the swiss in the last match. if any of those games finished with a win to us we would have been in play off at least. all very borderline

It all went against us though. That's more than bad luck - in at least a few of those situations, we had to make our own luck.

**Stuttgart88** · 16/06/2011, 11:51 AM

I saw the shot that hit the bar that you're referring to. Wasn't it a bit of a feeble lobbed typed effort that was never really going in?

Israel away was a bit like Macedonia. We had ridden our luck and seemed to be out of the woods. Then, in the blink of an eye...

The first Israel goal in Dublin was a looping header from outside the box after a soft free conceded by Holland, I think.

We were freakishly unlucky against Israel at home, but Albania at home was won by a very late OG, with Doherty in proximity. That was a bit of luck in our favour. At the time the hapless Irish media were calling Kerr a "miracle worker" for getting a win in Georgia, and 4 points from Albania. A year later he was a villain. He should never have been called either.

**jbyrne** · 16/06/2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I saw the shot that hit the bar that you're referring to. Wasn't it a bit of a feeble lobbed typed effort that was never really going in?

kinda, but a few inches lower and it was a 2-1 win

**Stuttgart88** · 16/06/2011, 12:26 PM

A pity we didn't try an attack between the 2nd and 90th minutes!

I agree with you re-Hughton btw. He did a great job getting Newcastle promoted and had a decent start in the EPL, but I'm not convinced by him either. I'm not sure he has the gravitas required to get certain types of players to play for him. The jury is still out, for me.

**paul_oshea** · 16/06/2011, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I saw the shot that hit the bar that you're referring to. Wasn't it a bit of a feeble lobbed typed effort that was never really going in?

Israel away was a bit like Macedonia. We had ridden our luck and seemed to be out of the woods. Then, in the blink of an eye...

The first Israel goal in Dublin was a looping header from outside the box after a soft free conceded by Holland, I think.

We were freakishly unlucky against Israel at home, but Albania at home was won by a very late OG, with Doherty in proximity. That was a bit of luck in our favour. At the time the hapless Irish media were calling Kerr a "miracle worker" for getting a win in Georgia, and 4 points from Albania. A year later he was a villain. He should never have been called either.

I thought oshea gave that free away. Thinking to myself at the time what are you doing needless free, but given hit a stupid pass out to him.

We get very few attacks with Trap either once we score, very similar to how Kerr played. Keane was the big surprise in that away game to Israel.

**Stuttgart88** · 16/06/2011, 2:12 PM

O'Shea "gave" the equalising penno away alright, but I thought Given's duff kick led to Matt Holland conceding a foul for the first. It was a poor kick, but it was a madly overhot back pass by Andy O'Brian afair.

With Trap, at least it's how he is setting the team up, unashamedly. Kerr was just too cautious and we weren't as good without the ball as we are under Trap. That's what makes to draw at home to Italy and the draw in Slovakia more frustrating I suppose.

**paul_oshea** · 16/06/2011, 2:13 PM

Thats probably the difference, i reckon we have a better squad now by far and probably a better 11 too to be honest(whether or not club games show that), but trap just isn't as cautious as kerr, but i always got that from kerr was because he just never wanted to lose i.e. any other result would do which proved his downfall really.

**Stuttgart88** · 16/06/2011, 2:18 PM

If the home game against Switzerland had gone better he may have had a chance. I liked Kerr all along, but was devastated at how limply we went out. I hated his treatment by the press, even if he had become arrogant and aloof with them. The Irish hate it when one of their own jumps the pack and succeeds. They all like to see someone making his way up, but when he's up they love to shoot him down.

**SwanVsDalton** · 16/06/2011, 2:38 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

If the home game against Switzerland had gone better he may have had a chance. I liked Kerr all along, but was devastated at how limply we went out.

I remember it so clearly - I was still defending him come ten minutes to go in Lansdowne, still hoping he'd turn it around. Then he made the like-for-like swap of Doherty on for Morrison (if I remember right) when we crying out to go for broke, throw three up front. Infuriating. Couldn't defend him after that and we duly retreated to a weak fourth place.

**Stuttgart88** · 16/06/2011, 2:42 PM

Didn't he take Keane off?

**SwanVsDalton** · 16/06/2011, 2:59 PM

Not in that instance but he did take Keane off earlier in the game for Stephen Elliott. Can't remember that happening, was it an injury? Anyway towards the death, three minutes to go and desperately need a goal. What do you do? Throw on Gary Doherty and stick with two up front. No Brian, no...

**Junior** · 16/06/2011, 3:00 PM

Yeah. Stehpen Elliott for Keane and Doherty for Morrison. Probably makes it worse.....

Just to cheer you all up here is the post match analysis from that game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBT69w2Iw2k

**tetsujin1979** · 16/06/2011, 4:19 PM

the team under Trapattoni defends when they go ahead, but we're far more likely to score when we're behind than under Kerr. Kerr's team never came from behind to win.

**Wolfie** · 17/06/2011, 12:43 PM

Switzerland in Dublin.

I've an abiding memory of being stood on the North Terrace amongst a load of Swiss supporters, with a powerless feeling that the result we needed was ebbing away and we were sleep walking, lemming like, towards a depressing conclusion.

In all my years in attending Ireland games, I was never so disappointed in our lack of urgency and the sheer lethargy of it all.

As mentioned, Harte had a chance and I vaguely recall Stephen Reid having a go late on??????

Its not that we didn't push on to win it, indeed we should have conceded near the end as we were wide open at the back, but our attacks completely lacked conviction in what we were doing.

Trapp really has stamped his authority on the squad and his demands for the players to have standards, loyality and a unity of purpose have begun to reap dividends.

Kerr lost the dressingroom and I've always contended that certain players refused to give him any respect.

**Macy** · 17/06/2011, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Kerr lost the dressingroom and I've always contended that certain players refused to give him any respect.

That was perfectly clear - sure they were giving out about stuff like being forced to watch DVD's of the opposition as part of him attempting to have them properly prepared.

I still don't think the comparison with Trapattoni is fair on Kerr - he wasn't replaced by Trapattoni, he was replaced by Staunton. That's the context that should be considered as to whether he should've been given another campaign or not.

**Wolfie** · 17/06/2011, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

That was perfectly clear - sure they were giving out about stuff like being forced to watch DVD's of the opposition as part of him attempting to have them properly prepared.

I still don't think the comparison with Trapattoni is fair on Kerr - he wasn't replaced by Trapattoni, he was replaced by Staunton. That's the context that should be considered as to whether he should've been given another campaign or not.

Yeah - wasn't trying to suggest Trapp was the replacement, more an acknowldgement that we're in much better shape at the moment - thank God.