Limerick Junior Soccer Has Changed Forever........

**mulla** · 12/06/2011, 4:51 PM

Originally Posted by nononsense

If it was passed by a ''huge'' majority doesn't it appear its what the clubs want? Would I be correct in saying the strength of Pike Rovers, with so many ex loi players, instigated this ruling? Do the clubs see Pike (and perhaps Fairview), with their resources, dominate Limerick Junior Football for the foreseeable future and all other clubs want to prevent that happening? Perhaps they feel this rule makes it a level playing field for everyone? I may be wrong but i think I heard the new Munster Junior Cup for league winners has a similar rule.

i would think the reasoning is is to make the premier division more competitve which may be not a bad thing, maybe winning the likes of the FAI and MJC will be beyond Limerick teams from now on but isn't that the same as the premier league up until now for certain teams.

**Jofspring** · 12/06/2011, 4:57 PM

Its understandable why it was done but U19 and A should not be included.

**Fairkop** · 12/06/2011, 5:16 PM

dont think the clubs have thought this one through,however one can also see why they have voted for it.no doubt pikes dominance of soccer especially locally and the resources they have put in to assembling their squad has forced many clubs to review the situation,but as a result of this change many players,and they are the important people in all of this ,will have no rights at all.

**mulla** · 12/06/2011, 5:18 PM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

Its understandable why it was done but U19 and A should not be included.

agree totally, also some more changes like if you haven't played LOI in say 5 years

**mulla** · 12/06/2011, 5:22 PM

Originally Posted by Fairkop

dont think the clubs have thought this one through,however one can also see why they have voted for it.no doubt pikes dominance of soccer especially locally and the resources they have put in to assembling their squad has forced many clubs to review the situation,but as a result of this change many players,and they are the important people in all of this ,will have no rights at all.

of cousre they will still have there rights, they can sign for who they want and for whatever they want like they have done all along, only difference now is if a team has a lot of ex loi signed they will have to do some juggling with the team

**streaker** · 12/06/2011, 5:23 PM

Beware any club getting out limerick are going to meet an army of l,o,I,and irish internationals,some joke.

**mulla** · 12/06/2011, 5:30 PM

Originally Posted by streaker

Beware any club getting out limerick are going to meet an army of l,o,I,and irish internationals,some joke.

obviously that will be the case in later stages, is 4 ex-loi not enough to compete?

**nononsense** · 12/06/2011, 6:17 PM

I think players under 21 preserve their junior status until such time as a certain number of LOI games are played in either the Premier or First Division. Also I notice in the Tipperary Southern League rules only 2 ex LOI players are allowed.

**Treaty Gooner** · 12/06/2011, 6:53 PM

If you can sign as many ex-LOI players as you want but can just play 4 in a premier/Lawson/Tuohy,will this really affect the Pikes and Fairviews that much?

In FAI and MJ games they won't have this rule.

By the by,the rule as it has been described here is idiotic, and if anything like it is going to be applied,surely it should only restrict senior LOI players and not u19 or A Championship. It punishes young lads for having any ambition.

**lfc at heart** · 12/06/2011, 7:35 PM

it might even the playing field a bit for the teams that dont have the bobs to pay ex loi players, look if the teams voted it in then they must have wanted it to happen, so lets see how it fairs out during the season, if it doesnt work sure cant it be voted out again,

**abbeyvale** · 12/06/2011, 9:19 PM

Originally Posted by booster 03

Crazy, I can see them going back to this to clear it up somebit... Its crazy, just wont work, Look at pikes current squad,hartnet, Barry, Enright, Cleary, Ryan, Tierney etc... can Pike only sign 4 of these??? Fairview have Chuka, kelliher, colm Scanlon, Grant, Heffernan, etc, can they only sign 4 of these?? It'l turn into a draft situation like in the states, sounds like a very rash decision imo. Something needed to be done to strenghten the league but this is just daft!! It wont encourage players to spread out to other clubs, it'l hinder lads with potential making the step up to senior soccer.

Plus Colbert, Considine, Ahern (think Pa Mullins might have played U-19's with UCD also).........you tell me what 5 of the 10 players mentioned will be happy to sit on the bench, on top of that, how are Limerick's best two clubs supposed to get consistancy in their team for MJC & FAI games, when they can't play their strongest team week in week out locally????

How many "Ex LOI" players have other Prem clubs (based on this season's squads).....and what about ex professionals..........are they classed in the same bracket?

**allab** · 12/06/2011, 9:26 PM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Plus Colbert, Considine, Ahern.........you tell me what 5 of the 9 mentioned will be happy to sit on the bench

was mullins with ucd before too?

**abbeyvale** · 12/06/2011, 9:29 PM

Originally Posted by allab

was mullins with ucd before too?

was just in the middle of editing it when you posted pal............see above

**mulla** · 12/06/2011, 9:45 PM

Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Plus Colbert, Considine, Ahern (think Pa Mullins might have played U-19's with UCD also).........you tell me what 5 of the 10 players mentioned will be happy to sit on the bench, on top of that, how are Limerick's best two clubs supposed to get consistancy in their team for MJC & FAI games, when they can't play their strongest team week in week out locally????

How many "Ex LOI" players have other Prem clubs (based on this season's squads).....and what about ex professionals..........are they classed in the same bracket?

I really don't think that the rest of the clubs care wether Pike and view can't field there strongest team every week, its up to all limerick clubs to deal with the new rules and as i have said before if having "only " 4 ex loi makes a weak team then what about the likes of yourselves and others with 1 or 2 at best.

**Spindoctor** · 12/06/2011, 9:50 PM

maybe at next year's LDMC AGM the following motions should be put forward...
1. every club have the right to refuse to play on an artificial surface.
2. if a club's grass surface is not up to standard then they must play all their games away from home.
3. if a club gives a walkover then they will be deducted 20 points or relegated.
how would these motions affect our friends at Ais/Ann who put put forward this bitter and small minded motion to restrict the playing of ex LOI players.

**Fairkop** · 12/06/2011, 9:53 PM

Originally Posted by mulla

I really don't think that the rest of the clubs care wether Pike and view can't field there strongest team every week, its up to all limerick clubs to deal with the new rules and as i have said before if having "only " 4 ex loi makes a weak team then what about the likes of yourselves and others with 1 or 2 at best.

maybe so,but why bring in this rule so?if players are out of the league of ireland for a number of years why are they being penalised for being ex loi players if they wish to pursue or continue playing with a certain club.

**mulla** · 12/06/2011, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Fairkop

maybe so,but why bring in this rule so?if players are out of the league of ireland for a number of years why are they being penalised for being ex loi players if they wish to pursue or continue playing with a certain club.

reason for bringing in the rule is i assume to make the league more competitive, as i said in an earlier post i think if you are out of LOI a certain ammount of time you should be exempt. also i think that last years players if they choose to stay with the same clubs should also be exempt, however if they choose to move or a club already has 5 or 6 and try to sign more then the rule should come into play. Ther are e few weeks till forms come out so i would think there will be a lot of discussion amongst the LDMC and hopefully they can come to a sensible conclusion. On the face of it though i think it is the right move and if say 10 ex loi choose to sign for lets say Balla then you would really have to question there real motive

**nononsense** · 12/06/2011, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by mulla

reason for bringing in the rule is i assume to make the league more competitive, as i said in an earlier post i think if you are out of LOI a certain ammount of time you should be exempt. also i think that last years players if they choose to stay with the same clubs should also be exempt, however if they choose to move or a club already has 5 or 6 and try to sign more then the rule should come into play. Ther are e few weeks till forms come out so i would think there will be a lot of discussion amongst the LDMC and hopefully they can come to a sensible conclusion. On the face of it though i think it is the right move and if say 10 ex loi choose to sign for lets say Balla then you would really have to question there real motive

What do you mean by above. isn't the rule passed now as is by the required majority and therefore cannot be changed until next years AGM or an extraordinary EGM?

**lfc at heart** · 12/06/2011, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by nononsense

What do you mean by above. isn't the rule passed now as is by the required majority and therefore cannot be changed until next years AGM or an extraordinary EGM?

I think your correct, it was voted on by the clubs and passed, well thats the way im reading it anyway, tbh i think its a fair rule if its implemented properly,

**lankyboy26** · 12/06/2011, 11:12 PM

I really don't see what all the drama is about! It was voted in by our CLUBS, by a majority! The people have spoken! Let's just get on with it, all anybody wants is for a more competitive league to be established, and hopefully the likes of Regional or Carew Park can have a hope of winning the league one day