Should McCarthy, Walters, Wilson and Gibson be given a future callup or ignored?

[Sullivinho]

The next game (vs Croatia I think) is at another 'dodgy' time of the season, right at the beginning. If Trap does call upon them and they fail to show.. I wouldn't fancy their chances of a call-up for a while after that. Individually, I don't think there's any of 'em who have burnt their bridges completely apart from Stokes who was superfluous and looking at the back of a sizable queue anyway. Walters' case is interesting from a personnel point of view. He's 5th choice behind Robbie, Doyle, Long and Cox now. His loss has very much been Cox's gain. Ditto for 6th choice Best. Guys with a dozen premier league goals between them struggling to get a look in, not bad. Wilson has similarly been usurped in the pecking order by Ward. These lads have more than Trap's forgiveness to contend with now.

I'm good with giving all these fellas another opportunity and think Trap will be too, albeit the players who turned up and especially the debutants will have more points on their Trap loyalty cards.

I think this could be a bit of a wake up call for some of these guys, they've pulled out of a squad that's gone and produced some excellent results without them and seems to have found a real team spirit. I'd be hopeful they'll put their heads down and work hard and if they're lucky enough to get another call they'll display the required attitude. It's hard to see any of them getting straight back into the squad, they'll have to rely on withdrawals or club form that's impossible to ignore (and there won't really be time to display this kind of form before the next games).

Totally agreed. In fact the furore will probably serve as a caution in general. Players know if they don't turn up it'l be scrutinized. Possibly by Trap himself. Publicly. For Irish internationals, there's never been a better time to have your groin in order.

[Fixer82]

Have to say I'm pretty impressed with Trap's attitude the last while about players. They should be breaking their back to come and pull on the green jersey. And if they don't make enough of an effort to communicate that they are desperate to play then good riddance. There's plenty of lads out there who will turn up regardless and not necessarily be guaranteed a start - Delaney, Forde, McShane, Kelly etc. These lads aren't all amazing players but they play with heart and spirit. And that's what we had in the early 90s.

[Kingdom]

Bonner, Irwin, Phelan, McGrath, Kernaghan, Houghton, Townsend, Keane, Staunton, Quinn, Aldridge.

They had more than heart and spirit.

[Stuttgart88]

Stephen Hunt in diplomatic mood

However, the Wolves midfielder was diplomatic when asked about the matter, although he warned the stay-aways that they will have a fight on their hands to force themselves back into contention.

He said: “Listen, the ones who didn’t turn up, it has been made a great deal of, but they will be back fighting for places like we did last night, and the ones who have been here have done themselves no harm at all.

“It’s up to the manager, but the ones who are here have done very well, make no mistake about it.”

[TrapAPony]

Trapattoni to contact no-shows
CARL O'MALLEY

Soccer: Giovanni Trapattoni will be contacting those players who did not report for international duty last month to ascertain once and for all whether they wish to play for the Republic of Ireland.

After four wins from four over the last two weeks, culminating in last night’s 2-0 win over Italy in Liege, the manager will seek to put an end to the communication issues that have disrupted his relationship with some aspiring internationals.

He reiterated today he is keen to have everyone on board but appeared ready to put the matter to bed, one way or another, over the summer.

After the squad got together on May 22nd, Trapattoni revealed James McCarthy did not return the FAI’s calls since the squad announcement, and there were then subsequent withdrawals from other fringe players, including Marc Wilson and Darron Gibson.

Celtic striker Anthony Stokes had been in touch to explain he was too tired to take part in the Carling Cup games against Northern Ireland and Scotland and the Euro 2012 qualifier against Macedonia in Skopje on June 4th.

Having seen Wigan’s medical reports of McCarthy’s ‘ankle injury’ a little over 24 hours prior to the first game against the North, the FAI then cast doubts over their veracity and suggested reasons for Wilson’s absence were also suspect. Stokes’s explanation clearly angered the manager.

The controversy got the international break off to a shaky start but Trapattoni and his available players rallied to win four on the bounce, conceding none while scoring 10 to boost morale among those whose commitment was never in doubt.

The results have won the hearts and minds of the fans and those players who showed such passion in Liege last night, and the manager today called for a little “respect” from those who stayed away.

“My doubt is only when the players don’t answer the calls of our secretary,” he said. “I want them to show respect for the other players, to tell us they are fit and will come over, or that they are not.

“If they tell us it is impossible, fine, we have time to call other players. It’s simply good manners and we never force a player to go anywhere.”

Reflecting on last night’s game the manager was again at pains to focus on the result rather than the opposition, explaining his lack of emotion on the sideline should not be construed as empathy for his defeated countrymen.

“I was happy in my heart. I didn’t feel that revenge against Italy was needed. If it’s against Italy fine, Macedonia okay. It’s about doing a good job, not about who we beat.”

With the results in the bag, he also backed his ideology on how his team should win.

“Football is a creative game. Creative players like Messi, Ronaldo, or Maradona in the past, can win a game, but there are others who build a result. We are a team that builds results and I’m happy with that.”

With transfer season upon us, Trapattoni offered a gentle reminder to his captain and goalkeeper, that, with four crucial qualifiers left in the autumn, games are important and for that reason moves for Robbie Keane and Shay Given would be preferable over the summer.

“My philosophy is that they can play for a time even when they are not in their club teams, because they don’t lose their condition after a few weeks. But in the longer term it’s important that they play.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...298631741.html

[BonnieShels]

“Football is a creative game. Creative players like Messi, Ronaldo, or Maradona in the past, can win a game, but there are others who build a result. We are a team that builds results and I’m happy with that.”

That is a remarkable statement and one which critics of Trap should take note of.

[Murfinator]

Gibson hasn't played in his most recent club fixture...

Gibson was available for the champions league final, it trained for it and this groin problem only emerged after the game was done and dusted making it very, very suspicious.

As was said St Ledger joined the squad injured with the hope of recovering for later fixtures, thats the right attitude to have.

[DannyInvincible]

I don't think Gibson is in his plans anymore.

What makes you say that? If I'm not mistaken, hasn't Gibson been called into every squad of Trap's for which he's been available?

Anyway, we're getting a bit carried away here when nobody knows the full details of these guys' claimed injuries. We're not really in any position to make judgments. Walters is suffering from a long-term problem that the FAI have known about for quite a while and they accepted that his lack of contact, or whatever it was happened there, was an innocent communication error.

It appears that McCarthy's situation is still under dispute, with even his father, Willie, publicly and angrily contradicting the FAI's line of events. We do know that the FAI either lied on the Monday after the Sunday they received contact from Wigan or else messed up with some internal communication as Trap appeared unaware in the press conference, whilst Tardelli was later telling us that the FAI didn't doubt McCarthy was injured - despite the suspicious scan claims - but that he still should have come over to be assessed by the FAI doctor. Then, FIFA's regulations on the matter don't oblige injured players to attend for examination at all if they play outside the country and have already been examined in the country in which they play.

I've said it before, but I'm prepared to give McCarthy the benefit of the doubt and would, of course, be more than happy to see him included in future. I'd be disappointed if he weren't. Wigan are clearly hostile to international football, he was out for three months of the season with the ankle injury - there is obvious worry or potential for aggravation there - and he is on the brink of a career-changing transfer. Those are not the primary reasons I'd be sympathetic, mind. What he's voluntarily put himself through just in order to play for us since the age of 16 or 17 commands nothing but my admiration and respect.

Anthony Stokes, however, is clearly a waster. Not exactly a Stephen Ireland category waster, yet, but it wouldn't bother me at this point if he was never seen in an Ireland jersey again.

If he hadn't been pictured on the lash in Wigan then there wouldn't be as much of a furore.

I've read both on here and in a newspaper article that McCarthy doesn't drink. Unless Wigan's survival changed things that night...

[the bear]

i'd gladly welcome them all into the next squad, just behind the players who turned up and performed last week in the pecking order

[ArdeeBhoy]

Of course they should, but as Bear says, have dropped back slightly in the pecking order....

[Murfinator]

At least Stoke is honest. In my book "too tired" and "groin injury" when everyone and their dog knows if you really wanted to play you could play are equally unacceptable excuses.

I'm not sure what happened with Best and Folan exactly. But the reaction from Trap is bang on, this kind of business isnt acceptable and I'm to see him making a commotion about it, a bit of noise to show this kind of thing isnt tolerated might make players reconsider next time if they know every pull out will be scrutinised.

The comment about Wigan is interesting too, I knew Scottish players at Wigan were trying to lure McCarthy but surely nobody in the management team would have had a preference for him to go to Scotland?

[Fixer82]

Bonner, Irwin, Phelan, McGrath, Kernaghan, Houghton, Townsend, Keane, Staunton, Quinn, Aldridge.

They had more than heart and spirit.

Yes they surely did but the game they played wasn't about skill, it was about pressuring the opposition and that was achieved through grit and determination. I would never say the current crop is anywhere near as talented as what we had in early 90s but getting the attitude right is half the battle

[tricky_colour]

I think the players who have turned up and been getting some great results must be foremost in Traps thoughts
simply because they have been doing the job and getting the results, why would trap want to make wholesale changes?

I don't think Trap cares about the reputation of the players or what they do for their club, all he will care about is
what they do on the pitch for him, in matches and in training.

[Noelys Guitar]

Trapatonni is quite capable of not only selecting Walters, Gibson, McCarthy and Wilson (Stokes dosen't count)but also playing them against Croatia. He will have put the last couple of weeks results almost completely out of his mind by now. Look what happened to Long. You come in an play well. You read about yourself teaming up with Keane for the Macedonia game. You praise the management in the press. And then your dropped for a blow in. I work for Italian's and it is always what are you going to do for me tomorrow. Trapatonni has played a blinder the last few weeks. He has built up players (a few I bet he never selects again). He has publicly taken on the alleged half-hearted and won hands down. I bet there is not one phony cry off come the Croatia game. And like the old days under Jack players like Cox are clever enough to see how the last couple of weeks have enhanced their club situation no end. So in answer to the question I expect to see all four back in the squad if they are deemed good enough by Trapatonni.

[CraftyToePoke]

On a similar note, I wonder if we do hold this kind of improving form and qualify, how many eligible lads will become Irish, I'd have a tenner on O'Hara for starters, then the decision Trap has, do you take a Glenn Whelan for example, or a guy like O'Hara. Damien Delaney , Darren O'Dea and McShane Vs Chambers, Stearman and Gerrard. Noble Vs Fahy. Lawerence Vs Pennant.

It could get very messy and destroy morale, something which is clearly high at present, on the other hand the potential recruits are stronger options, only marginally in some cases, but nonetheless.

Would we see a loyal to the guys who always travelled, or a very cold blooded pragmatic Trap then?

[Murfinator]

Hard to know how Trap rates those players. Pennant for example isnt strong defensively so Lawrence would win that in a direct decision. I don't think he'd start a noble or fahey in a serious game, they're not the kind of player he uses. Delaney, O'Dea and McShane may very well not be good enough and could have their positions taken in that situation. Their fault for not doing enough to keep them.

[Noelys Guitar]

I don't think Trap will bring in O'Hara or Pennant or anyone else for that matter unless he believes they will improve the team against Slovakia and Russia. It has to be remembered he did hint strongly after the Russia game that we did not have a good enough team (on that occasion) to beat Russia. He is not going to let that situation happen again. So like picking Gibson for the Macedonia home game and Cox for the away Macedonia he will be looking for a particular player or players that will inflict most damage on the opposition. It could be Coleman. It could Ward. It could be McCarthy. It could be a player yet to declare. Hard to tell but a lot could happen between now and the Croatia game.

[DannyInvincible]

Look what happened to Long. You come in an play well. You read about yourself teaming up with Keane for the Macedonia game. You praise the management in the press. And then your dropped for a blow in.

I wouldn't really say Long was "dropped". To be fair, Tardelli seemed to suggest that one of the reasons that Cox was favoured for the Macedonia game was because Long's play-off loss was still negatively affecting his mentality in training. I think that's fair enough.

[SwanVsDalton]

I wouldn't really say Long was "dropped". To be fair, Tardelli seemed to suggest that one of the reasons that Cox was favoured for the Macedonia game was because Long's play-off loss was still negatively affecting his mentality in training. I think that's fair enough.

Tardelli was also quick to say Cox was in on merit if I recall correctly.

[Noelys Guitar]

I wouldn't really say Long was "dropped". To be fair, Tardelli seemed to suggest that one of the reasons that Cox was favoured for the Macedonia game was because Long's play-off loss was still negatively affecting his mentality in training. I think that's fair enough.

Cox is slightly ahead of Long and might even be ahead of Doyle in the eyes of the management. It would not be a huge surprise to me if Keane and Cox line out against Slovakia. Long is now probably fourth choice forward. And thats why I would not rule out the selection of the "gang of four" for the Croatia friendly. Things can change rapidly under Trap. As of today most fans would predict Trap starting Whelan and Andrews against Slovakia and Russia. I don't think he will. I'm just not sure who will come in if either Whelan or the more likely Andrews is "rested". I bet Trap has been watching dvd's of the home Russia defeat over and over again. He will look at who played, how they played and what went wrong. And he will not want a repeat performance. The Irish squad for the Croatia game will be very interesting.