Booing the NI Anthem

[co. down green]

I never really 'got' the whole Glasgow Celtic Irish thing myself.

Don't understand why people can be bothered with Celtic or Man U, I'm much more interested in Ireland, and following the progress of Irish players playing for their clubs.

I don't see the point in wearing a celtic, Man United or Liverpool jersey to an Ireland game, no connection really, apart from the odd player or two.

[SwanVsDalton]

Nah, why wear a St Pats top - it's red. Of course it's common, look at the history of Celtic and the colour of top they wear! It's obvious. You get a lot of Ireland tops at Celtic games and people and clued up enough to know why and don't complain about it one small bit. It's sheer ignorance the silly objections to Celtic tops. You would swear it was Hitler FC the way some narrow-minded bigots on here go on like.

No foreign tops at our games, blah, blah! The same people who tell others to get into the 21st century. They should try it themselves.

I've heard the complaint about Celtic tops aired by lots of fans at every Ireland match I've ever been at - it's usually held in the same regard as Leprechaun beards and huge green plastic hammers. So whether people are 'clued-up' as you say is debatable.

Anyway regardless of historical ties or colours, Celtic are not actually an Irish club whereas St.Pats's are. Might as well wear Hibernian or Panathinaikos tops. Also, anecdotally, an LOI top wearer would be likely to at least wear an Ireland scarf or hat (if colour is the issue).

Call me old-fashioned, I just like people at games in regalia of the teams actually playing. Anyone who isn't is likely to be branded a part-timer, as they would anywhere else.

[cestlavie]

Dont agree with booing with anybodies anthem but you would think that Northern Ireland should have their own anthem at this point and not one borrowed from England.

You dont see Scotland or Wales showing their patriotic identity by singing God Save the Queen no matter if they regard themselves as British or not. Its a whole question of identity. Surely they can come up with a different anthem that represets their people in a more unique way.

We could always give them the rights to Irelands Call coz I think its pathetic for the Irish rugby team to be using this a 1 of their anthems.

[Not Brazil]

You dont see Scotland or Wales showing their patriotic identity by singing God Save the Queen no matter if they regard themselves as British or not. Its a whole question of identity. Surely they can come up with a different anthem that represets their people in a more unique way.

We could always give them the rights to Irelands Call coz I think its pathetic for the Irish rugby team to be using this a 1 of their anthems.

The National Anthem of the United Kindom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland is not "borrowed" from England. It is shared with England.

I agree with the wider sentiment though.

Maybe you've hit on something with the rugby mention.

Perhaps the IFAcould take a leaf out of the IRFU's book, and could play two Anthems at our games - GSTQ, and something more "unique". Not "Ireland's Call" though, for two reasons:

1. It's shyte.
2. The IFA does not represent "Four Proud Provinces of Ireland".

[cestlavie]

Obviously you love your non borrowed anthem but do you really see yourselves as more British than somebody say from the far reaches of Scotland from places like Shetland or from the Valleys.

When you travel abroad everybody regards you as Irish, Perhaps this is your way in trying to tell the world or convince the world that your really British.

This may answer part of the problem that has arisen that some of the people from Norn Ireland are declaring for the Republic. It is only part of explanation and doesnt cover full picture though.

[Not Brazil]

Obviously you love your non borrowed anthem but do you really see yourselves as more British than somebody say from the far reaches of Scotland from places like Shetland or from the Valleys.

When you travel abroad everybody regards you as Irish, Perhaps this is your way in trying to tell the world or convince the world that your really British.

Yes, I am very proud of my National Anthem.

I don't consider myself anymore (or, indeed, any less) British, than any other British Citizen.

I am, however, extremely supportive of the idea of introducing a new "sporting" Anthem for games involving the IFA representative teams - something unique to Northern Ireland.

When I travel abroad, I don't really care what "everybody" regards me as.

I don't need to "convince the world" that I'm "really" British. I am really British. I am also Irish.

I add the blessing of being British, to the distinction of being Irish.

[cestlavie]

No worries, the Queens head is always welcome down here anytime. Think youve hit the nail on the head, your are British but also Irish.

On another note Not Brazil, Have to say you were pretty fortunate with that cup win in the end, lol. Inspired sub or luck??? Gudluck. Its a pity Stokes couldnt declare for Norn Ireland, Times are bad but I still wouldnt wish it on ye all.

[Not Brazil]

Think youve hit the nail on the head, your are British but also Irish.

On another note Not Brazil, Have to say you were pretty fortunate with that cup win in the end, lol. Inspired sub or luck??? Gudluck. Its a pity Stokes couldnt declare for Norn Ireland, Times are bad but I still wouldnt wish it on ye all.

Ardee Bhoy will be along soon to tell you that I'm not British & Irish.

We were good value for the Cup win - the substitution did change the game. I'll give the credit there to DJ (A man not often lauded for his tactical brilliance. )

Regarding Stokes - his father would be assured a warm welcome at Windsor Park anytime he fancies a trip up North.

[BonnieShels]

Regarding Stokes - his father would be assured a warm welcome at Windsor Park anytime he fancies a trip up North.

I don't think ye'd be allowed to set up a pyre for that sole reason. Timing could be a help in this case... somewhere around the second week of July? Anyway, it'd only be another excuse for oiks to stoke the flames of hatred.

[Not Brazil]

Timing could be a help in this case... somewhere around the second week of July? Anyway, it'd only be another excuse for oiks to stoke the flames of hatred.

The Champions of Northern Ireland are scheduled to play the Champions of Scotland at Windsor Park on 16th July, as it happens.

I'd pay for Mr Stokes's ticket myself, if he's available.

PS. A former manager of Stokes's club, Celtic, is the main guest speaker at a lavish event in Belfast City Hall tonight, celebrating Linfield FC's 125th Anniversary Year.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

I've heard the complaint about Celtic tops aired by lots of fans at every Ireland match I've ever been at - it's usually held in the same regard as Leprechaun beards and huge green plastic hammers. So whether people are 'clued-up' as you say is debatable.

Anyway regardless of historical ties or colours, Celtic are not actually an Irish club whereas St.Pats's are. Might as well wear Hibernian or Panathinaikos tops. Also, anecdotally, an LOI top wearer would be likely to at least wear an Ireland scarf or hat (if colour is the issue).

Call me old-fashioned, I just like people at games in regalia of the teams actually playing. Anyone who isn't is likely to be branded a part-timer, as they would anywhere else.

Horses for courses - I've heard plenty of folk completely about so-called 'nordies' supporting the republic. Makes me wanna voimit, but people are entitled to their opinion but to not know the history of Celtic yet make judgements is pure ignorance and small-minded. You can't say something has nothing to do with Ireland and is not Irish in any way because it didn't originate in Ireland. Look at some of the Ireland team, the same could be said for them, but an Irish person who has his mind open and knows his nations history knows the Irish nation is spread far and wide outside of the island itself.

[TiocfaidhArmani]

Call me old-fashioned, I just like people at games in regalia of the teams actually playing. Anyone who isn't is likely to be branded a part-timer, as they would anywhere else.

BTW, no they wouldn't. I see Ireland, St Pauli, GAA tops and any green top a team wears anywehre at Celtic games. I've never seen a discussion even on it on any Celtic forum I'm on that are one hundred times busier than any Irish football forum, such as this one. We don't get as hung up about these matters and don't have such a pathetic elitist attitude to trivial matters.

[boovidge]

I add the blessing of being British, to the distinction of being Irish.

So why don't the British Irish and the non-British Irish join forces and take over the football world?

[IsMiseSean]

So why don't the British Irish and the non-British Irish join forces and take over the football world?

Jesus, don't start them on that one....

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ardee Bhoy will be along soon to tell you that I'm not British & Irish.

Well, If you can find any politician of any hue from the North who claims that, I may concede on that dubious claim.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Do you equally defend "anyone's right" to boo Amhrán na bhFiann?

Yes, if it upsets that much. You'll probably find a more than a few takers at games involving 'Ingerland, The North, R*ngers, Linfield, Chelski etc.

Even if we were desperately 'upset', there's precious little we could do.

Individuals can think however they like, and people who were Celtic jerseys and/or GAA tops to Oreland games deserve scorn

There is now a dress code to go to an Ireland game??

Anyway regardless of historical ties or colours, Celtic are not actually an Irish club whereas St.Pats's are.

Do you actually know anything about the club's history??

Call me old-fashioned, I just like people at games in regalia of the teams actually playing. Anyone who isn't is likely to be branded a part-timer, as they would anywhere else.

So anyone at an Ireland game in a Derry top (or vice versa) is a 'part-timer' ??
What a strange bubble some people inhabit.

The National Anthem of the United Kindom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland is not "borrowed" from England. It is shared with England.

Hmm, will ask English people I know if they think it's 'shared'. Somehow, at the very least they'll be bemused.

[Not Brazil]

Well, If you can find any politician of any hue from the North who claims that, I may concede on that dubious claim.

It was politicians, of various hues, who confirmed my absolute right to identify as such.

[Not Brazil]

Hmm, will ask English people I know if they think it's 'shared'. Somehow, at the very least they'll be bemused.

AB - the fact of the matter (regardless of what English people you know say) is that God Save The Queen is the National Anthem of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.

[Sullivinho]

Would it be deemed unacceptable to boo this thread?

[Noelys Guitar]

Well its an us against the world attitude, in all small(possibly minded) communities who feel repressed or unjustified its a common mentality. Makes them feel stronger, a more togetherness.

I met this rabbi on the plane from boston to houston recently who had studied different "interest groups" told me something about these guys who preach the end of the world, like the mayan theory and that guy recently in the states, that the more evidence you put forward to them, the stronger their actual belief becomes and the more close knit the community becomes....

And the good Rabbi's views on the McCarthy issue Paul?