Quoteyou might not mean to insult but trust me you are managing itOriginally Posted by harleyleeds
You see, I've never had a problem with this. We don't have a problem with it at club level - we'll be happy with anybody who will add to the team. I feel pretty much the same about the international team.
you might not mean to insult but trust me you are managing it
I don't agree international football is the same as club level, or at least it's not supposed to be. So as to not get into the same circular argument here when there's already a thread on this in the Ireland forum, I'll leave it at that. Also, I don't think it is really a LoI related issue to be honest - I doubt this issue has much impact on the LoI support, or lack of, for the national team.
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Its not personal to mcgrath or anyone else . Do you want to go on picking out foreign players to say this about, whats the point. I think Paul was great ok.
Some people (such as yourself) dont care if not one of the players representing your country are from your country and thats fine but I would prefer that they are from the country and that should be fine too. Honestly I beleive that most of these players would not make the grade in their own country so Ireland provides world football for them but some local lad loses a possible place for his country.
I used his example to show you're being too extreme - he was born in London, but only spent a very short time there before being brought up in Ireland.
Not going to bother with the rest of your post, as you clearly didn't bother to read the rest of the post, or my following posts.
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Ill take that lack of response as no Irish born on team is acceptable then and I did read the rest of your post(s).
Ireland is Paul McGrath, Kevin Kilbane, James McCarthy, Darron Gibson Aiden McGeady and my country.
Each of us identifies ourselves with ireland. In the case of Paul McGrath and myself we were born outside the country but were brought up here from a very young age.
Ok lets assume you were born in England (doesnt matter if it was somewhere else) .
Now lets assume they (English fa) picked you to play for them and Ireland (your country) did not consider you good enough for them. would you play for England or never play world football?
It is, depending on who the non irish born are. If it's a team of Kevin Kilbanes then I couldn't careless. If it's a team of Jermaine Pennants, then it would matter - well to me at least, we already know that most wouldn't give a toss.
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as it happens I was born in England. And no, I don't think I would play for England. I'm not English.
Ok girls there is plenty of threads in the Ireland section about who should and shouldn't playing for Ireland. Anyway back on topic I went along to the game last night my experience won't make me want to go back. Over priced tickets I think 15 or 20 euro would be about right. Don't normally go for food at half time but went to the game straight after work so had to folk out for overpriced muck. The ybig section or singing section must think they are supporting Celtic with all the songs they have robbed. Hard to tell but very little support from league of Ireland fans didn't see much flags jersey etc. Don't think I'll be back. Anyone else go?
Wow, that was fun. as I sat in the Aviva last night (sans leprechaun hat and inflatible hammer) watching tumbleweed roll among the empty seats I got to thinking (dangerous territory) that perhaps the FAI may now HAVE to look at promoting attendance at live football and attempt to wean our "soccer loving public" off their TV football fixation.
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Think I got ya now . Fair enough you beleive that someone brought up in a different country but by Irish parents would be Irish in feelings and his/her loyalty would be to Ireland over the country of their birth and upbringing ( I realise you were moved back to Ireland young, this is not you ). While I find that hard to beleive (I mean lots of them never set foot in Ireland till a match) I get where your coming from. Each to their own and I will only support home grown players which would be the answer to the original question but would always hope to hear they won no matter who.
You're not far off the mark. There were qoute's from Trap in a different context that the country needs a strong league. Some have been saying that for a while.Wow, that was fun. as I sat in the Aviva last night (sans leprechaun hat and inflatible hammer
John D, you know it makes sense
Having 1 or 2 LoI players involved in Irish squads would raise their profiles and be good for them. Player's need to be playing professionally though for that to work. We don't want to reduce the standard of the team to something near that of Northern Ireland last night but if 1 or 2 LoI professional players had an involvement in that game, maybe more LoI supporters would go to the games. If the LoI has higher profile players, it's a help to get more support.
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It's a view held within NI support that Worthington calls up Irish League players to increase their profile, provide a shop-window and potentially engineer a move for them to a superior standard league. Whether or not it's a way to run an international team, I'm not so convinced.
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Whether it helps engineer moves for certain NI players, I've no idea, unfortunately, as I really follow neither the fortunes of their team or the fortunes of particular individuals within it unless a realistic prospect of them declaring for the FAI has been touted. I wouldn't really imagine it does, however. That's just based on being unaware of any high-profile moves, but, admittedly, maybe that's due to personal ignorance as much as anything. I do know Peter Thompson, for example, was capped by NI whilst at Linfield between 2005 and 2008 and then made a "big-money" move to Stockport in 2008. Whether his international appearances contributed to Stockport's interest or whether it was solely down to his form in the Irish League, I don't know. In saying that, Stockport aren't exactly high flyers either by any stretch of the imagination. They were relegated from the English League Two just this season past after finishing last, although they were playing in League One when Thompson signed. As for Thompson himself, for what it's worth, he's back playing at Linfield again now.
I do understand, however, that Worthington isn't that popular a figure at the minute with his squad selections baffling many, so I'd imagine the consensus is that, whatever his policy or rationale is in selecting significant numbers of Irish League players, it isn't justified. Leaving Shane Ferguson out of recent senior squads, for example, whilst including Crusaders players and the like is something I know hasn't endeared him to those who thought he should have tied Ferguson down to the IFA long ago either.
It's not a given, but lots of people born and brought up to Irish parents do consider themselves Irish, even if they've never lived here. I'm trying hard to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it's pretty insulting to those of us that are in that situation, especially given Irelands history of emigration.
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Maybe you need to look at this from a different angle. Think about the thousands of Polish nationals that moved here during the building boom, many of them had children during this period, thousands of them then returned to Poland after the bust. The children that they had for the most part will have had at most a few years exposure to the country of their birth, and very little exposure to the culture as they are surrounded by Polish family who always intended to return to their homeland. By your rigid definition of nationlity those children, many of whom won't even remember ever living in Ireland, would only be eligible to play for Ireland. Do you see a problem yet?
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I agree 30 euro was a bit steep, 15 or 20 would have been grand. I was lucky enough to get free premium level tickets and I would defo fork out for them in future it's a fantastic experience with fantastic view inside the private bar section and out at your padded seat.
On LOI fans I saw a few, I wore my Town hoody as always but I saw Rovers,Pats, Dundalk and a Wexford Youths fan
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