rowdies at euro 2004

[Macy]

Remember seeing that the far right are trying to say that the Protestant and Catholics in the north of Ireland should unite (a good idea from the far right but wait...) in order to kick out any non whites from the north.

I do still feel that there is a depth of hatred towards the Irish that is not so easily focused since the second ceasefire, certainly the tabloid world can now look for a new emeny and so in a way the heat has been taken off Irish people. But still think that if you scratch the surface hostility can still be found.

As I pointed out earlier this hostility isn't universal amoungst football fans but it does still exist and in broad enough sections.

Being serious now, not another c0ckney thing (honestly Lopez), but I've got to say we never experienced any hostility in Manchester for being Irish. Even after the bombings, it was more anti-IRA than anti-Irish from my experience. Can't speak for the no-mark towns around (the Boltons and Oldhams), but there was never any threat or hatred for being Irish. So basically, is it a Southern/ "middle" England thing or an English thing?

[Duncan Gardner]

Steering neatly clear of the main theme, but Ken Early of Newstalk 106 is a sound lad, if ye can forgive his obsession about Vlad Smicer and Bruno Cheyrou. Had a beer with him after the Nigeria game. Look for Valderrama's younger brother at your next away game

[gspain]

Steering neatly clear of the main theme, but Ken Early of Newstalk 106 is a sound lad, if ye can forgive his obsession about Vlad Smicer and Bruno Cheyrou. Had a beer with him after the Nigeria game. Look for Valderrama's younger brother at your next away game

Never met him but they have agood sports show from 7p-10pm every weekeday normally presented by Ger Gilroy called Off the Ball with plenty of football coverage including the domestic game unlike RTE who show wall to wall gaa and even put it on RTE 1 now (normally all psort is on Network 2) to boost the ratings when football consistently attracts more viewers.

[lopez]

Being serious now, not another c0ckney thing (honestly Lopez), but I've got to say we never experienced any hostility in Manchester for being Irish. Even after the bombings, it was more anti-IRA than anti-Irish from my experience. Can't speak for the no-mark towns around (the Boltons and Oldhams), but there was never any threat or hatred for being Irish. So basically, is it a Southern/ "middle" England thing or an English thing?

Personally couldn't give a f*ck if it's a c0ckney w@anker thing or not, Macy. You go ahead. Britain's Irish community has enough on its plate without us rising to people trying to divide us into Mancs, Cokneys, Brummies, etc.

As my old man used to live in Manchester in the late forties and most of the fifties, and I have relations in the city, I'll take his word for it. He tells me that he never had any probs there (I think he would have liked to have moved up there but for my mum). However Birmingham, where he moved onto next (and this was pre 69 or 74) was a different matter. And yes I'd say that the no-mark towns are different - certainly by my dealings with the Scum and the Englishman abroad - but last time I looked they were in Greater Manchester.

In the English population as a whole anti-Irishness is largely redundant although I wouldn't say it never existed. I remember the seventies were particualrly terrible IMO with the IRA on one hand and a constant drip drip of propaganda by the media portraying us as intelectually subhuman. Things got better after the mid eighties with the signing of the Anglo-Irish agreement. As for the Irish team, they always supported us, but then a chunk of the population still think that Ireland is part of the United Kingdom (this is not a joke: I've worked with some blokes that can't equate republic with being independent). Not so with the scum. Nice to see that old number 'No surrender' being played on Irish radio. Just to remind those that have forgotten February 1995.

[shugk1]

Boys just bring your tricolours over to Celtic Park, you'll not get any trouble from us, we know where our blood comes from.

[lopez]

You're forgetting the Northern english firms who caused the majority of grief @ Lansdowne.....led/synchronised by the C18/Loyalists from Landaan/osc....in case you think this is just an opinion....have a look at the reports in the Irish/T*n broadsheets of the day....

C18 had nothing to do with February 1995, although the c*nts didn't waste much time trying to get on the bandwagon. Charlie Sargent, currently staying at a hotel belonging to the German lady, was livid he didn't go over. No it was just simply the scum. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to bring in a political element to it simply suggests that the tan fans were all innocent angels that day.

BTW, speaking of the German lady, for a bunch of c*nts that sing about her a lot, she hasn't graced her subjects with her presence - unlike her cousin the other day (fell asleep then thought it was two-nil when he was awoken by the cheering greeting the goal by Morientes ).

[lopez]

Not what I've heard/read more than once...........though in terms of no's they had only footsoldiers,but was 'organised'......that's why it was so bad & were tipped-off by OWL friends...they were leafleting northern clubs'hoolies encouraging them to go....refer you to the media reports....

Loved to have been there though when the Guards handed out appropriate just that night @ DL ferry terminal......think the T*ns surrendered that night!

White Riot which documents the rise and fall of C18 claims it was all cojones that they took part. Foot soldiers may have been there - there were plenty C18 stickers around the place - but that's different than Sargent and Browning and the hierarchy actually plotting it. Big spread about Sargent in the Screws of the World the following sunday, but this was all b*llocks. He wasn't in Dublin and was more interested in setting up his own version of Montana in Essex at the time to concern himself with Dublin. I think he was a bit disilusioned at his fellow countrymen. The previous year's planned (and aborted) visit to the fatherland on the fuhrer's birthday was to be celebrated with a joint Anglo-German operation against Berlin's Gay community and other inferior races but he was told the tans just wanted to fight the Krauts.

Facts are this was the result of ordinary tans (it wouldn't take an Osama Bin Laden to get this kick-off going). As you may know C18 were strong in London but outside were a complete load of w*nkers. One of their more memorable kick-ins took place in Birmingham at the hands of Celtic fans in Digbeth when they played Brum City shortly after Dublin.