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    Round 2 then?
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    I assume Boris would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into a referendum. In general, surely any British PM for quite some time is going to be wise to the risks of running a referendum they could lose, so how does Scotland make this happen? Mass demonstrations? I don't see any appetite for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    In general, surely any British PM for quite some time is going to be wise to the risks of running a referendum they could lose, so how does Scotland make this happen?
    I wonder has anyone considered taking over a post office...
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    Quote Originally Posted by backstothewall View Post
    I wonder has anyone considered taking over a post office...


    I don't see that happening for now. Not enough unrest. When's the last time it happened in a Western democracy anyway? The ballot box is a big pressure valve.
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    Not enough telegrams being sent these days either in fairness.

    I wonder how comparable the scenes at the Capitol were to the GPO?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Not enough telegrams being sent these days either in fairness.
    The last telegraph office only closed in India about a decade or so ago!

    I wonder how comparable the scenes at the Capitol were to the GPO?
    Maybe an interesting comparison, and maybe a valid answer to the question I asked. I think there's a significant difference though between an attempt to overthrow an external yoke and an internal power grab, at least in the prospects for a stable democracy afterwards. The FPTP system the US uses has seriously undermined their elections as a pressure valve - you don't vote for who you want in power, you vote for the less ****e of two options - so I barely consider them a functional democracy anyway. People underestimate how much the Greens, Labour, PDs, PBP, Democratic Left, Social Democrats, etc., even Sinn Fein have been a stabilising force here. They all act to drag the policies of FF and FG towards more populist positions for fear of having their vote eroded. I won't say it keeps them honest, but let's just say you don't have to imagine how much worse they'd be if they didn't have those pressures on them.
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    Yeah, America can't declare independence from itself, so it's not directly comparable, but I think there's enough to conflate the two still. The GPO was seized as the comms hub here; that's irrelevant these days and a more symbolic place would be taken instead (such as the Capitol)

    It's not going to happen any time soon in Scotland of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Yeah, America can't declare independence from itself, so it's not directly comparable, but I think there's enough to conflate the two still. The GPO was seized as the comms hub here; that's irrelevant these days and a more symbolic place would be taken instead (such as the Capitol)
    The strategic place to go after would be Faslane Navy Base. Holding a load of nukes hostage strengthens your bargaining position like nothing else.
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