QuoteLet's not forget Ireland's other favourite team Celtic, are still in with a chance of progressing...Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Manchester United will be in the draw for the next round.And also the ONLY irish team still playing in Europe
Let's not forget Ireland's other favourite team Celtic, are still in with a chance of progressing...
Have a Kit Kat will ya.
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
This is where Chucky logged in to say that Shams made a show of themselves and the league and the country - or something along those lines. What happened next?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/othe...s-2967036.html
no suprises when i seen who wrote this. amateur hour at the Indo
Er.. I swore at him, then some people did this
then a glitch in the matrix stole many many thanks from us.
And then I infracted him for trolling, which he now seems to have avoided, not having trolled in the first place.
100% spot on. Delusional is what it was. Unlock that thread about the comparison between the LOI and SPL. What a cracker that was for delusional.
The league needs investment and without outside investment we're going nowhere fast. Look at the FAI being reported to FIFA for owing money and dodging payment, they're an embarassment.
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It's actually nonsense, as it doesn't make any effort to explore the fact that maybe - just maybe - the English league has improved in the last 25 years.
Also doesn't mention the likes of Derby 16-1 Finn Harps or Spurs 14-0 Drogheda from around the same time.
I don't what it is about you and this site but you come across as much more reasonable on boards and shelschat....
Where you see delusion others see hope. Without hope you cannot improve. This year's Europa league hasn't killed hope but it has made delusion impossible.
The best team in our league got swept aside at the business end of European competition.
The same thing would happen to Celtic in the Champions League.
With delusion gone and hope still intact it's now clear what needs to be done - build the league as a whole, increase attendances, slowly improve the profile in the media, increase advertising revenue and then look to buy in, or pay to retain decent quality players.
Winding people up on the internet may actually have a role to play in keeping delusion at bay, I don't know, I'm trying to be charitable, but I'm not sure it's necessary.
born2bwild, Celtic never get swept aside in the CL, never. And the team top of Serie A didn't beat us home or away. We can raise our game for Europe and always have.
Back on topic, people can see hope, but I would rather be realistic. It winds people up and I get warned for trolling, but it's an honest assessment. There needs to be outside investment or we're going nowhere and may get the odd breakthrough with a bit of luck but that's as good as it will get. I admire the people who hope against all odds, but the people who laud that idiot Delaney do my head in who takes a kings ransom out of the game while teams around Ireland get changed in rusty steel huts.
Yeah, without realism clubs will end up like Bohs are now, Shels back in 2007 - no-one wants that. But at the same time gloating over Shamrock Rovers' defeats is not helping.
Without opening up the SPL v LoI can of worms again, sure Celtic can raise their game - they have financial backing that LoI clubs can only dream of - but in the context of European competition, Celtic are a relatively much poorer football team than they used to be. A repeat of 1967 is just about as impossible as a LoI team getting into the knockout stages of the Champions League. A club like Celtic has to measured against the achievements of Billy MacNeill and Jimmy Johnstone - does it help the club if I gloat about how, relatively speaking, crap the current team is in comparison?
TV money, UEFA prize money, sponsorship money and ''outside investment" have fenced off the elite in European football - and both Celtic and Shamrock Rovers are on the wrong side of that wall.
It's not a chicken and egg situation, though. You can't get outside investment unless there is the likelihood of a return. That will only happen if there are sound business practices and a professional organisation in place. At this point, Shamrock Rovers seem to be doing things the right way, as do Shels.
Maybe I'm delusional. I hope not.
As for John Delaney. I can't solve that. 400k a year for the man who appointed Stan to manage the international team.
In terms of Celtic we've a very young team. The average age is 25. Take away Majstorovic who is 34 and God knows what the average age is. It wasn't that long ago we made a European final and in the current squad we have a lot of players who are going to go for big money. I don't think we're that bad and think our Euro results reflected that.
I'm bias when it comes to Rovers, I can't stand them but their supporters were totally delusional. I was only pointing out the facts. I think a deal with SKY like the Norn Iron teams would be a starter and for me MNS is a waste. I read they deferred €4 million from the international TV money so they show it. I'd rather that went to the clubs by way of the prize money fund. If you have to pay RTE to show a highlights programme then you're wasting your time.
I would just like to see a few individuals invest €1/2 million a year into a club and think we'd have half a chance with maybe a SKY deal. You have Irish people investing in Peterbrough ffs!
Their average crowd is 3-4k. They can't all be totally delusional, can they?
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You realise people were taking the **** out of you back then, right? Nobody seriously thought Rovers were better than Celtic. Sure, some people got carried away but most of us thought 3 points over the 6 games would have been a good return. As it turned out, PAOK were even stronger than anybody anticipated.I'm bias when it comes to Rovers, I can't stand them but their supporters were totally delusional. I was only pointing out the facts.
Please find a short pier and take a long walk.
Calling yourself a 'realist' and coming out with that tripe.
Anything that makes it a little easier to convince a mate to come along to a game, from time to time, can only be good. And one of the things that makes it more difficult is people like yourself.
In fairness, his comments in that post are reasonable enough. I'm not including the point about Celtic's strength, which is irrelevant in the context of how far they've slipped relative to other great European clubs and relative to their own great achievements in the past.
Although individual investments of €1/2 m into LoI clubs, while desirable if sustainable, reminds me of the fact that I used to have a ten minute drive to home matches where now it's twenty.
My money is as good as the next persons and I try and bring folk where I can. People are entitled to their opinion. The league is poor and needs outside investment to subsidise the bar stool Irish soccer 'fan'. I don't see what's so outlandish(sp?) about that.
No duh. That's not what I'm talking about.You realise people were taking the **** out of you back then, right? Nobody seriously thought Rovers were better than Celtic.
Spurs were top seeds in the draw, Rovers bottom seeds, Rubin Kaz a handy Russian team, and as mentioned Paok did better than expected. Rovers played well in the games, but its a different level altogether and for the first LOI team to get to this level is a commendable achievement. Why the sour grapes, this isnt fifa on the computer face reality, they did as well as can be expected. And i fully expect a LOI team to get as far next season, no problems.
Generally speaking I have no problem with people holding opinions contrary to mine.
But given your history on here I have to question the sincerity with which you hold any opinion. And going from the fai are a a bunch of muppets to mns is crap the fai need to do a deal with sky (in two posts?) - while not earth-shattering, or controversial - does nothing to change my opinion of your opinions.
And then claiming to be a realist and defending the second best team in the country ranked midway between us and 1st while running down the league - speaks volumes as to your agenda. We're all well aware of the problems affecting the league. But you can't sit there and deny that rovers in the europa league helped raise the profile of the loi. Certainly done more than wishful thinking over the last decade has.
And just out of interest where or how often do you attempt to bring folk? Only given previous ramblings I thought you were based in the east end of glasgow.
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