QuoteI think you're being a bit myopic there. He does stick the boot in when the guy is on the ground and one of his assistants does as well but I don't blame him. If someone had a go at me I wouldn't hesitate to kick him.Originally Posted by geysir
Sure, it's a campaign of being anti-Irish, anti-Catholicism mixed in with more general racism and Lennon its primary target ,so why would we be even concerned....
I think you're being a bit myopic there. He does stick the boot in when the guy is on the ground and one of his assistants does as well but I don't blame him. If someone had a go at me I wouldn't hesitate to kick him.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Despicable scenes last night re: Neil Lennon
Both sets of fans were cranking it up.
What did you make of the sectarian chanting (Jim Jeffries is a sad orange *******), rascist chanting (Get the Brits out now) and support for Irish terrorists (numerous ditties) coming from Celtic fans last night?
Is it ok because "it's not as bad as Rangers"?
Celtic & Rangers = 2 peas from the same pod.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
I don't see the evidence so I don't use my imagination to make stuff up.
Have a look at the 5th photo and observe the positions.
Daily Mail photos
Last edited by geysir; 12/05/2011 at 11:01 AM.
I'm not a Celtic fan and don't really care about its Irishness and all that but singing a few songs ( I know they're dispicable) is not as bad as sending bombs in the post. I'd hate to see the media reaction if a Celtic fan sent Walter Smith a bomb.
I agree.
I'm merely pointing out that sectarian/racist chanting is not exclusive to Rangers.
Will FARE be lodging an official complaint about last night's chanting from Celtic fans, do you think?
If it's ok to chant about Republican terrorists, is it not ok to chant about Loyalist terrorists?
If it's ok to chant about Brits going home, is it not ok to chant about Irish going home?
If it's ok to call someone an "orange b*st*rd", is it not ok to call someone a "f*n*an b*st*rd"?
Or maybe it's two peas from the same pod, both of which are rotten.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Would have thought you'd have had a little more sense than that NB. And have a little more knowledge of history!
Or presumably you also object to all the R*ngers songs heartily endorsed by most Linfield fans and some of the North, which I've seen them singing in the flesh.
Flags and songs have been round for decades however, as I think you should know but it's been a while since a Celtic fan tied to assault an opposing player or official.
But no-one's sunk to the level of parcel bombs, bullets and personal assaults in the street on opposing managers or players.
Which as much of a slight on unionists in general, as anyone else?
Given the source(s) of such correspondence.
The old '2 peas from the same pod' argument becomes intellectually challenged and doesn't hold water outside Scotland, where fans' behaviour becomes the subject of neutral scrutiny. In severe contrast to the Rangers fans, most every city that Celtic fans descend upon in Euro games, they have been applauded by police and opposition fans/clubs for their behaviour.
It's off on a bizarre tangent to allude that the violent campaign of intimidation against high profile Celtic fans and their manager is somehow part of the overall responsibilty of the behaviour of the Celtic fans.
The atmosphere was cranked last night. Clearly audible, right from the beginning, were loud renditions by Hearts' fans of the sectarian ditties, the 'Famine Song' and the 'Billy Boys'.
I have no objections to cultural songs - TFOA, Derry's Walls etc.
I have no objection to the national flags of either the Republic of Ireland or the United Kingdom.
I strongly object to sectarian songs, and those that glorify paramilitary organisations - whatever side they come from.
I have heard such songs from both sides in Northern Ireland, Scotland and the South.
The sending of bombs and bullets in the post to Lennon, or anyone else, is abhorent - I would confidently assert that most "unionists" would agree with me on that score. Indeed, we even had a "leading loyalist" go public recently to express his thoughts on that matter. Not that I understand why he was even asked about it in the first place.
To suggest that such actions are a "slight on unionists in general" is akin to someone suggesting that the actions of dissident republican terrorists are a slight on nationalists in general. Wise up.
What are you thoughts on the repeated sectarian, racist and terrorist supporting chants eminating from Celtic fans last night?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
The video clearly shows him sticking the boot in but as I said, I wouldn't blame him.
On a separate issue, I do find it strange that some Celtic fans who sing IRA songs and hold up signs NO POPPIES ON OUR JERSEYS want their team to play in the English league and expect to be welcomed there by the English FA. Also what would the Scottish league be like if one of either Celtic or Rangers left? A non-event and the remaining club would probably drop to the standards of Hearts or Hibs. Like it or not they need each other so that they can continue pointing at each other: "They are the bad guys!".
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
I thought Lennon had a little kick at him too from the pictures on TV, was hard enough to make out though. Makes no difference anyway he was (or would have been) well within his rights. In hindsight though, maybe taunting 40,000 lunatics at Ibrox after receiving bombs in the post wasn't the most clever approach. He should really just keep his own nose clean and it would make these pr!cks looks even worse. No point in fueling the fire of a psychopath.
Truly shocking as big Johan said at the end... "weve never seen anything like that before". Terrible. Well apart, I suppose, from the Celtic fan who tried to attack Dallas on the pitch..and there was the Celtic fan who attacked Dida...and I suppose you might need to consider the Celtic fan who tried to attack Ally Maxwell..and well, thinking about it, there was the Celtic fan who attacked Strachan when he was a player... Oh and the 2 Vienna players at Old Taffford... but Johan is absolutely correct, apart from those, we've certainly never seen anything like it before.
Did I forget to mention Ricksen...he'd some interesting post in his day?
Awaits denials, "ah buts" and various other head burying in the sand techniques..
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
And what are yours on the majority of Rangers fans singing such at the Cup Final, or Hertz, or numerous other teams. Or even your own beloved Linfield??
The songs are not v.pleasant and maybe there have been a few Celtic neds just like there's been even more anti-Celtic ones, but not even they have been part of a concerted campaign (of parcel bombs, bullets and personal attacks) against one individual, incidentally a former captain of the 'national' team you support, so I'd have thought your backing would be a little more supportive?
I answered that question, clearly, in post #29
So, sectarian songs and those gloryfying paramilitary organisations are "not v. pleasant"?
Ok.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Yes it is okay to sing about The Boys of the Old Brigade. Nothing sectarian about singing about the 1916 Rising. They were terrorists.
Calling someone an orange ******* is making a statement someone belongs in a bigoted organisation. Much the same as the KKK are racists, the Orange Order is a bigoted, sectarian organisation.
I don't see any Rangers employees receiving bullets, threats or bombs in the mail. What Rangers employee is being attacked on the touchlines? What one is being attacked out on the street like Lennon has? Or in his car with his daughter in the car?
Two peas in the same pod my hairy arse!
Well unless we're indulging in a mad rush for 'whataboutery', I'm willing to live with/put up with a few songs or flags in the main, even if some of the former are paranoid in extreme.
I'd rather see an end to hate campaigns directed at one or two individuals and attacks on other people, eg. police, non-white immigrants in the North/W.of Scotland and also the anti-Irish & RC (whatever their relative faults) attacks in both of these parts of 'Britain'.
Ok to sing about the Provos too?
UVF ok for you - both old and new?
Is Jim Jeffries in the OO?
What colours are your National flag? How does that sit with "orange b*stards"?
Fernando Ricksen.
Two rotten peas, cut out of the same, dirty, pod.
Sweep, sweep, sweep.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Me too.
I'd also like to see the end of the complete demonisation of an entire community, based on their, wholly legitimate, "politics".
From now on, you're ok with UVF songs then?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Not to throw a spanner in the works or anything, but...
Everybody knows there's a boorish sectarian element among both sets off fans but right now it's only some of those on the blue side who are ramping it up to outright criminality.A CELTIC fan who made monkey gestures towards Rangers player El Hadji Diouf during an Old Firm game has been jailed for three months.
Racist Sean Smith taunted the West African striker as he took a corner kick for the Ibrox side in February this year.
The 19-year-old was reported to police by fellow Celtic fans who were disgusted by his behaviour and was later arrested after his photograph appeared in a Sunday newspaper.
I suspect that he was referring specifically to an attack on a football manager, not to attacks on players or referees, in which case his assertion was quite correct.
Of the particular incidents that you mention, the attempted attack on Gordon Strachan and the two Rapid Vienna players were of an era when hooliganism was an almost weekly occurrence at British football grounds. Nevertheless, I would condemn any act of hooliganism by any set of supporters, past, future or present.
The "attack" on Dida was indeed shocking, so shocking that Dida was charged by UEFA with breaching rules upholding "loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship," as it was deemed that his injury was feigned. He was consequently punished with a two-match suspension. Perhaps not the best example to have used.
Despite my ignorance of the other incidents that you mention, which is due simply to their lack of renown and my only passing interest in Celtic, my previously stated condemnation still applies.
I'm somewhat surprised that you awaited denials, or other Ostrich-like behaviour.
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