Originally Posted by Cobbler
its great to have dreams. hold onto them
maybe you might reach europe sometime in the year 3000
When was the last time you were in Turners Cross? It's improved a lot in recent years.
Cork City are by far the biggest club in Ireland, Northampton are a small club in the fourth tier of English football. Cork City will offer him more money and the chance to play in Europe. You hardly think he'd be stupid enough to move to Northampton, in all fairness you've got to be taking the p!ss.
Champions!
Northampton and Sixfields
7500 All seater
Two Pubs
Fast-food outlets
Radio Station
Supporters Trust Development Fund
Corporate Facilities
Centre of Excellence
Cork City and Turners Cross
6000 seater
And not forgetting a Chippy van. Thats about it really
If you where a footballer with ambition where would you like to ply your trade ??
When I last worked for IBM in Cork last year. Went to see you play in a Cup game v some team in Red where you where easily beat and the following week by some poor team Derry. Draw I think. Didn't think much of Turners Cross then
yay! prawn sandwiches for all!!!
Whatever it was I am sure it was better than my plan to get out of this by pretending to be mad. I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?
I'd prefer to play in Europe and earn more money. In other words Cork City, there's no contest.
Champions!
Just done a quick history check on Cork. You've won 2 trophies of note in your history and you've beating Cwmbran Town to advance in Europe just the once. Now I'm no expert on Irish Football but surely your taking the p!ss by thinking your the biggest club in Ireland.
Taking 40000 fans to Wembley in 98 overshawdows anything Cork have ever done. Whos the small club ??. If the mighty Cork where in any sort of Cup Final how many would you bring ?? Oh and as you think your a greater club than us how would you think you'd do in D3 ??
Last edited by Cobbler; 20/06/2004 at 5:40 PM.
guys pack it in, seriously. ye can both argue till ye're blue in the face, but it's gonna come to nowt.
Whatever it was I am sure it was better than my plan to get out of this by pretending to be mad. I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?
Nah, I'm enjoying it. I know I'm right and that's all that matters.
Northampton, a big club? You're having a laugh!
We'll be in Sweden next week supporting our club in Europe and it is going to be fantastic. Pity you'll never get the chance to experience a European trip.
Champions!
I'm enjoying your delusion. I could repost my theory on why a pro-footballer would want to play in a better footballing environment. But your argument is he'd get to play in Europe every now and then but be surrounded by sub-standerd facilities all year round. As for money well I've no idea what a Cork footballer earns and you certainly don't know anyone at my club earns
You still won't or can't back up any of your claims on why a player would want to stay at Cork ahead of Northampton. If you think a pro-footballers ambitions is too play in one maybe two ties if lucky in Europe every now and then but be surrounded by as I said sub-standerd facilities all year round then you are really fooling yourself. If he's good Northampton will no doubt be a stepping stone it more money then he'll ever make with Cork. Where as with Cork this is as good as its ever going to get
Try and answer at least one question I've put to you. I can cut and past them for you again one by one just to make it easier on yourself. Wouldn't want you to over do it
Last edited by Cobbler; 20/06/2004 at 6:34 PM.
Had a look on your FAI website to find out more about Irish clubs. Seems Cork ain't even as big time as you seem to think
Cork. 2 major trophy's and a win over some Welsh club
Bohs. some big League title wins and a double of late, sure that season outstripes the whole of Corks silverware. Current Irish international. Some impressive European results
Shels. Current League Champions. Walking this seasons league. Also another Irish international in their books. Also a few Euro tie wins
Rovers. Sh1t load of cups and other stuff. Not sure how many exactly ? And some Euro home and away wins, last one being last season.
Patricks. Good few league titles. Decent wins in Europe and an impressive draw in Parkhead. And the Ireland manager came from that club
If he doesn't come to us he'd probably be better of playing for one of those clubs. In Dublin I take it ? I'm failing to see how Cork are Irelands biggest club with those four clubs records and I haven't even checked the rest of the teams !!!
Pats and Rovers? Their best days are behind them.
A 6 point lead at the top, doesnt really merit the statement that they (Shelbourne) are running away with it.
Bohs, well yes, they have been good of late, but are quite a bit behind CCFC this season. Certainly no bvetter than us, and Flynn is better than Crowe. Had it not been for injuries, Flynn would be a full international as well.
Now, City were established in 1984, and were, for the most part, a very shabbily run outfit, with moronic directors, bad managers, and a great drinking playing staff. Its only really in the last few years (since Brian Lennox became chairman) that City have been anything like a professional outfit. As it stands, we have the best home support, and one of the better away supports. Our ground is about the best in the country, and improvements are still being made.
Now you say you brought 40000 to Wembley in 98? Well, why are those 40000 now in Sixfirlds every week? Thats not a good representative figure you have given at all.
Whether a move to Northampton is good or bad remains to be seen. Maybe he would be more in the shop window with you, but every player wants to win trophies, something that Northampton are unlikely to do anytime soon.
Last edited by Gary; 20/06/2004 at 9:02 PM.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
ERR Mr Cobbler but maybe take a look at our formation date. Its an excellent record then.
Well, you might like your Town team but i prefer my CITY.
And when does the size of a stadium mean anything. Ajax won three or four european cups playing out of their old stadium which only held 17,000.
I have heard of certain other kinds of envy - but never stadium envy!
Youre just talking cobblers.
If you're basing who's a bigger and better team on facilities and crowds than I assume also that you would think that any player, given the choice, would rather play for Hull than Fulham? Afterall, they've a bigger stadium (Well, they have a stadium full stop), they get better crowds, they have better facilities so by your logic, they must be better.
I'd love to see Northampton beat Malmo 3-1, somehow I can't see it happening, even if they were entered into Europe by some freak accident.
O'Flynn was a regular Irish u21 international and could, as has been shown by Byrne and Crowe, be a full Irish international playing in the EL. You wouldn't have a chance of getting near an Irish squad in division three.
You're right about Shels being the big club though
Explain so Hayser?
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
I hate this EL vs english 3rd division debate. The EL cannot be compared to the English divisions until there are the facilities and structures in place that can make it a level playing field.
I agree with Pat Dolan when he talks about how people are concentrating 2 much on the EL results in Europe. This should not be the barometer for our clubs. The barometer should be
- Facilities
- Crowds
- Administration
- Media Coverage
- Youth Policies
- Transparency
If this money thing is fact, then that would be the only attraction for JOF to...what do ye call yourselves again? Anyhow, if we think media coverage of the eL is bad, as someone living in England, Div. 3's is worse.Quite simply, no-one gives a t0ss. Ye're bottom of ye're pile, City are top of theirs.
Any u-21 internationals at Town?
For fúcks sake, the local rugby team is more popular than ye! At least City are bigger than Con. Do ye attract sponsorship deals worth the best part of a million €?
Why would Flynny want to leave his hometown club, where he is basically an idol, to go to some small, shítty Division 3 club in one of the most ignored leagues in the UK?
Now, féck off back to Cobblers World or whatever forum ye have. If ye even have one.
A big club would never entertain the idea of employing Martin Wilkinson, it took an awfully long time for Northampton to get rid of someone even Michael Knighton didn't think up to scratch.
A man can have no greater love than give 90 minutes for his friends.
I remember Ollie Cahill saying once what a dump Northampton was. I also read in some book that Cork people have significantly larger lads than people from Northampton, if that helps your argument in any way, Colm.
If Cobbler is actually looking for an answer, then the simple fact is that JOF probably doesn't fancy English third division football. As tough as our own league is, there are some mean hatchet men in the third who could well do a job on his knee. It's not really a division that would suit his style of pace and skill. For example, look no further than Richie Foran - a similar style player (if a little more violent) who struggled at Carlisle. Will be interesting to see how he gets on at Motherwell next season.
At least Cobbler has one friend - Roddy Collins was spouting in the Star about how the third was better than the league at the weekend. You remember the guy, sacked for being rubbish, still unemployed, waiting for the Liverpool job.
Richie was one of the best players in division three in his first season, he only struggled after that and that was due to injuries and off field problems.
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