How can this development on a whole be viewed as anything but encouraging for Limerick FC.
Yes I appreciate the plans look underwhelming especially when viewed against what was proposed a few years back, but its a huge step in the right direction. Finally Limerick football fans can say that they will be playing back at their spiritual home after years in the wilderness at places like Hogan Park. How many of you would have grabbed at that outcome if offered to you 10 years ago. I would wager that almost all of you would. Football fans can quickly become blind to the obvious realities of what a club of Limerick's size can offer especially if grand unrealistic plans are thrown at them with no accurate estimates at price. The original plans were always going to be the final vision they never gave us the steps it would take to get there. This i believe will be that first step.
The current plans submitted in my opinion will meet the clubs current needs i.e a a ground that will above all else meet the Premier Division ground licence requirements. Will allow Limerick a quick return to the Markets Field for the 2014 season and will finally be a ground for Limerick FC that will cater for a realistic attendance while offering an intimate and charged atmosphere. (Stands don't create atmosphere fans do)
This is all I realistically ever hoped for and I believe if the club is continued to be run as it has under Pat O'Sullivan and the current board then those mad plans that he proposed a few years back can actual be achieved in the coming years.
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Spot on,a great move in the right direction and onwards and upwards.
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I suppose we'll get to properly judge when we see the finished article but from the plans I can't see how 2 open air concrete steps, 10 metres from the pitch on the far side will encourage an intimate atmosphere. What it will encourage people to do on the other hand is not bother their backside going to a game. The distance from the pitch at the 2 goal ends is huge. For a fraction of the money involved Jackman or Hogan Park could've been upgraded to a ground like this, only with spectators closer to the pitch, and the club would've been still in the same position.
Some good points there but I still think some of the concerns brought forward by the supporters club and other fans are genuine concerns and not just complaining for the sake of it. It will be 2015 before Limerick FC move in there.
Its been explained over and over again why it isn't viewed that way just read back through this thread.
There was more then an estimated price of the plans that Pat O'Sullivan there was an exact price of what it would cost.
They did show the stages it would take to get to the final plans in Pats plan the first phase cost roughly the same as the current plans for the Markets Field but had 3500 seats instead of 1500 seats and an overall capacity of 3000. This is not the first step the LEDP have already said they do not have the funds for further development.
To call them mad plans is very disrespectful he put far more research into his plans then the LEDP have with theirs i guarantee you that.
Yet again someone comes on here backing the plans while completely ignoring the fact that having zero revenue from the ground will negatively effect the long term future of the club. Have you any thoughts on that or are you ok with it like the others seem to be?
I dont get how people can constantly come on and talk about how we are wrong about the ground but yet continue to ignore the main problem with have with it (lack of revenue).
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Would you care to detail the projected revenue loss that you keep harking on about? Time you put a bit of realism in to your arguments. What exactly do you want...the LEDP to lay on a fast food joint inside the Markets Field aswell as a bar and a club superstore to capitalise on the millions of euro revenue our average gate of 1500 people will generate. You must think people only go to football to eat burgers and drink beer.
Firstly the question you ask has been answered already to you actually. I don't have exact figures but i think its safe to assume that with no bar and no food outlets in the ground that is a chance for revenue lost. There is a reason that the first thing most clubs in any sport do is set up a bar.
The rest is as usual from you complete and utter nonsense. You tell me its time for realism in my arguments this coming from the man who comes on and says he cant see why people are not happy over and over again without any real arguments or points whatsoever and constantly ignores any question he is asked. Tell me this then where do Limerick get the revenue from when Pat O'Sullivan calls it a day? Do you think it makes sense that the only way they can make money from their supposed "home" is tickets sales when it would be very very easy to add other ways?
Of course in an ideal world we'd own the Markets Field and have our own bar and food outlets which would be packed every second week with an average gate of 7,000 people etc but this is not an ideal world my friend. This is the world of following Limerick FC where we haven't had more than 5,000 through the gate for a home game in nearly 30 years. With our current average attendances I suspect the catering staff are just about being paid. I remember a few home games this season where it looked as if the bar at thomond park hardly broke even and you are almost suggesting that Limerick FC tell the LEDP to shove the Markets Field because they are not laying on a fully fitted bar and burger joint for us. As I said before it's time you got real mate.
I'm half convinced you're just trolling at this point.
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And with the question being avoided and complete nonsense yet again that is me done with n talking to him. I really hope he is a wum as its just sad if he isn't.
Going by the supporters AGM tonight most of us know very little about the ins and outs of the Markets Field i.e the clubs stance, further developments etc.... Pretty much everything here is speculation and there is probably no harm in either closing the thread or at least keeping talk about the Markets Field to a minimum until further information is given.
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They will come, see, turn around and leave
While both sides make good arguments over what is turning into a real fiasco, i'm would like to address the issue of revenue. Most LOI clubs do not derive the majority of income from gate receipts. The majority of income comes from sponsorship & advertising so i think its a little alarmist to say the club would be in dire trouble if the ground did not attract a certain avarage attendance for every home game. It is a terrible pity that the original plans could not be put in place but it will still be great to go back to the MF. I have great memories from there(my age been shown now!).
"We've had a lot of good times, but you don't know how good they are until you have the bad ones" Tony Adams
Just in case this is about when i talk about revenue from the ground i mean if there were a bar and food outlets then the club would have revenue from that, you are 100% correct that clubs don't get the majority of their revenue from gate receipts with the current MF plans it is the only revenue we will have from the ground though.
A lot of people have said they will come back to attending games regularly if we got back there though so hopefully they stick to that and that would be a positive at least.
You sure about that?
yes i would be very confident in that statement, i suppose i should have added benefactors in that also. There is no way that gate income alone from an average 1000 people every 2nd week would cover the cost of a 1st team and backroom staff in the Premier league. I've seen the medical bills for LFC alone and its incredible in itself. A lot of clubs have full time admin staff also and they dont come cheap either. POS has dug deep to build the club up to this level. A good marketing team if they do their job right will ease a lot of relying on POS going forward.
"We've had a lot of good times, but you don't know how good they are until you have the bad ones" Tony Adams
You have to think about how better crowds in a decent stadium will allow the club to strike better deals for advertising and sponsorship though.
Just wondering has there been anything happening at the Markets Field since the Martin O Neill visit.i know the pitch had been laid at that stage but ground works had yet to begin.with all the planning criteria met it's surely all steam ahead now.most fans will agree it is imperative we get out of thomond park ASAP and get back to the MF.
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