Markets Field Renovations??

[fieldofmarkets]

Spot on blueblood, massive lost opportunity.

[LFC Blue]

Limerick FC can't contribute to the ground financially as the ground is held in trust so it would be more like a contribution to a charity. We would have no say in how the monies would be spent, (decent stand) etc and going on the plans it looks like no one has been listened to on just how bad they are. Using our crowds of last year in Thomond is really shoddy in saying that the capacity would be good enough as we played on all seven days of the week last year six of which were unsuitable for the Limerick football folk. Limerick as tenants have always paid rent, considerable rent at all venues they have used and going on soundings the rent for the MF is nothing short of extortionate for the "facilities" on offer. For LFC bLUE..when complete this will be the forth best Football ground in MUNSTER. again this will be the forth best ground in munster. In case you didnt hear it will be the forth best ground in munster. The rent of Thomond is cut down on last year and i hope Limerick will play on their for the foreseeable future. One more time this will be the forth best ground in MUNSTER. I too look forward to the development of the forth best ground in Munster being built in 1974 sorry my mistake 2014.

Ok Gael. I think your trying to tell me it is the fourth best stadium in munster as opposed to it being the forth best stadium in munster! So much negativity on here but little in the way of alternatives being suggested.anyone that cannot see that continuing to play in Thomond park is killing us both on and off the field is kidding themselves. What exactly do ye want... Sullivan to spend a few million on building a stadium to yer specification on a green field site. Tis fussy ye got after a few months in the comforts of the home of munster rugby.

[fieldofmarkets]

I understand where you are coming from LFC Blue and agree with you on what Markets Field could be to Limerick. Unfortunately it is not currently proposing to be any of those things.The alternative people are looking for is for the LEDP to make the right decisions to ensure the ground is a success for Limerick and themselves. If Limerick don't thrive there it will ultimately not provide revenue to LEDP either. If LEDP do not grasp what is needed, Limerick should not facilitate poor decisions by moving in straight away and instead should stay in TP for as long as they can afford it. Of course this is not long term sustainable but either is the current MF setup. At least staying out might provide some time for changes or enlightenement, otherwise the longterm is grim either way.

[bluewhitearmy]

Ok Gael. I think your trying to tell me it is the fourth best stadium in munster as opposed to it being the forth best stadium in munster! So much negativity on here but little in the way of alternatives being suggested.anyone that cannot see that continuing to play in Thomond park is killing us both on and off the field is kidding themselves. What exactly do ye want... Sullivan to spend a few million on building a stadium to yer specification on a green field site. Tis fussy ye got after a few months in the comforts of the home of munster rugby.

Exact same as Markets Field will do then.

People want exactly what fieldofmarkets has said and people have said that quite a lot if you bothered to actually see what people were saying instead of talking nonsense you would know that.

[kingpin4]

Exact same as Markets Field will do then.

People want exactly what fieldofmarkets has said and people have said that quite a lot if you bothered to actually see what people were saying instead of talking nonsense you would know that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just the first phase of everything? So the plan is to have it basic just to meet licensing and develop as we go along?

That brings its own issues with it too. Being more successful brings more fans, brings more revenue and makes development a priority. On the other side of that, if we're not successful and crowds stay as they are, it'll just remain a basic venue which will tick all the boxes for licensing but it will be the 4th best in Munster (not sure if that's been mentioned yet)
I do think the LEDP could have done a bit more just to entice fans in though. The bar could have been a huge pull for example, have a few pints and out on the town after it.

[bluewhitearmy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this just the first phase of everything? So the plan is to have it basic just to meet licensing and develop as we go along?

That brings its own issues with it too. Being more successful brings more fans, brings more revenue and makes development a priority. On the other side of that, if we're not successful and crowds stay as they are, it'll just remain a basic venue which will tick all the boxes for licensing but it will be the 4th best in Munster (not sure if that's been mentioned yet)
I do think the LEDP could have done a bit more just to entice fans in though. The bar could have been a huge pull for example, have a few pints and out on the town after it.

This is what the LEDP has started saying after people complained to them about the poor quality of the plans, before that they had said that they had no funding for improvements. The 2 small stands they have are concrete so are fairly permanent. I and quite a few others believe that what we go into is what will be there for good. In terms of quality of ground they would be better off getting a big temporary stand like they have in Bray on the opposite side of the main stand then building these horrible smaller stands that dont even cover all the seats in them.

The bar and being able to raise revenue from the ground is big for the future of the club and there is absolutely no way of doing that in this ground. They have stated there will never be a bar in the ground.

[fieldofmarkets]

Looking at the photo on LEDP's website today, there does not appear to be much room outside the playing surface for development of significant spectator facilities. I suppose this could be torn up later but it is a good indicator of LEDP's intentions on whether they really see future development.

[gael353]

Ok Gael. I think your trying to tell me it is the fourth best stadium in munster as opposed to it being the forth best stadium in munster!

Football ground, forth best football ground in Munster simple as

So much negativity on here but little in the way of alternatives being suggested.anyone that cannot see that continuing to play in Thomond park is killing us both on and off the field is kidding themselves. What exactly do ye want... Sullivan to spend a few million on building a stadium to yer specification on a green field site. Tis fussy ye got after a few months in the comforts of the home of munster rugby.

your looking for an alternative. Limerick move out of a fineish facility where all breeds and sexes can go to costing limerick an arm and a leg and as you said its killing us. So we move to the MF in its present guise. DEAD BY 2017

[Charlie Darwin]

DEAD BY 1017

But it's 1753 now.

[limerickmurf1]

As a Limerick man living away abroad now I have been following the wonderful developments in The Markets Field since the first announcement that it was to be redeveloped. I have followed it on social media, the LEDP website, Limerick Leader etc. I paid a trip up there on Christmas Eve and looking in the gate I was amazed by what has been done there already. I googled it this morning and was directed to this forum (don’t know why it never came up before) and I actually joined the forum just to respond to the absurdity of some of the comments. Am I missing something here? A philanthropist buys the former home of Limerick soccer entrusts it to an organisation that has singlehandedly contributed more to the south side of Limerick city than any other organisation public or private (creating jobs in the process) according to their website, they pump massive amounts of money into putting in a brand new pitch, while keeping everyone informed of what is going on by weekly updates on their website (gives me a great link to home), they secure 1.1 m euro from government to redevelop the ground in the teeth of the deepest recession that has ever hit the country ( I know, I had to leave because of it) and they are vilified on this website because it is not what 10 or so contributors who are obviously not representative of the vast majority of Limerick people want. I put it to you all that it is very easy to hide behind the anonymity that a forum gives and snipe and give out. I even saw a negative comment about the grammar used on their website for God’s sake. If ever the curse of St Munchin was in evidence it is here. I note that one contributor even tells LEDP to make “the right decisions to ensure the ground is a success for themselves and Limerick” I’m sure that that astute comment will have them clamouring to employ you… I don’t know how they redeveloped Krups without you!!! As a follower of Limerick soccer since the last time they won the league (you don’t have to be a member of an organised club to follow soccer) I know that Limerick have had more homes and comebacks than Frank Sinatra, the junior club organisation don’t talk to the senior club organisation, the academy don’t talk to the clubs (they think they are poaching their players apparently) and if it weren’t for people like Hogan, Drew and O’ Sullivan (like them or not), senior soccer in Limerick would be as dead as Frank Sinatra. But yet when JP McManus, LEDP and Government do something to develop a ground, you whine and complain that it will be the fourth best ground in Munster (about 10 times) and that there will be no bar (if there was you would probably complain about the price of the pint) and your toes might get wet because the stand roof is too short (you were obviously never on the popular side in 1980/81). I really think you all would object to Santa Claus if you had a chance. You had your chance to buy it and develop it yourselves, Limerick FC had a chance to buy it and develop it Pat O’ Sullivan even drew plans for something he didn’t own, the City and all the “interested” councillors had a chance to buy it and develop it, The VEC drew plans to buy it and develop it and guess what……you and they didn’t. The ultimate comment has to be “what a waste giving LEDP the ground” because of course if JP gave it to the supporters they could have redeveloped it faster and better with their vast knowledge of soccer grounds and unlimited resources!!! You feel that you have a right to tell those that actually did do something what they are doing wrong. One poster even suggests that Limerick stay out of the ground for as long as possible to teach “them” a lesson. Thank God JP McManus had the sense not to hand over the ground to these “free thinkers” or the thistles would be growing back there in no time. For my money the new owners would be perfectly within their rights to tell you where to go (or maybe stay) and go and talk to the other sporting organisations that might have an interest, especially as you all reckon you’ll be dead by 2017 anyway (Rugby League, big in my new neck of the woods, Schoolboy Rugby, Hockey or even the college next door) and I hope that if they do read forums like this they will realise that these forums are not representative of the vast sway of public opinion that would love to see the Markets Field reopened in whatever phased way possible and are delighted that someone in Limerick has the breadth of imagination to do something positive and not just sit on the side-lines and wait for someone to come and ask their opinion and write a blank cheque. Is there is anyone in this group of supporters that can say anything positive about the biggest development for Limerick soccer ever? If there is can they please speak up and at least show the people that are leading the way (LEDP) in this project that there is some gratitude for trying to do the right thing. Or maybe I am missing something and LEDP has in some way managed to scupper some plan for someone else to make something out of the ground because in my experience when a group of people can find nothing positive to say it is usually because they either are jealous of what others have, or have a bone to pick due to being undermined. From my reading of everything so far LEDP are giving Limerick FC a chance to make the Markets field home for their matches. They are lifting the financial burden of Thomond Park and giving them access to what appears will be the best playing surface in Munster. According to the Leader, Limerick FC have already decided that Bruff Convent is to be their home and in the same way that many of the premiership clubs in England train and administer their clubs at locations other than their match ground, Limerick now have an opportunity to have a home ground without the holding cost. From what I can see LEDP are doing this not out of any commercial prerogative but out of a wish to do the same as they did in the Southside of the city and try and give Limerick FC and the area around the Markets Field a bit of a lift. But perhaps Limerick soccer and their supporters don’t deserve this or find it hard not to flog a gift horse to death. I don’t have any knowledge of who LEDP are apart from those listed on the website. I see Keith Wood mentioned in posts (in a derogatory way as is common on this forum) and can only assume that he has some consultative role in the project because he is not listed on their executive or board but I do know what a loss Krups was and from what I can see that site now seems to be thriving again. I, for one, can’t wait to get back into the Markets Field…..now come and take a swipe at me!!!!!!

[Treaty Gooner]

Boom!

[Jofspring]

It's all here in this thread to see. Most people are delighted to be moving back to the markets field and even said it is better for an organisation like the LEDP to own the ground rather than the club so it can't be used as collateral down the line.

There is a lot more than the few on here that don't like the plans and would prefer they be sorted now rather than down to line at a further cost .

I think nearly everyone's grievance is that if it is going to be done it may as well be done right the first time.

If there is no way of the club securing any finances barr ticket sales from the ground how will the club survive long term? It's fine for a few years but 5, 6, 10 years down the line?

Are we going to be back to square one in a few years with a ground that fans don't want to come to because they don't like the facilities and the club are making no money out of?

There was a meeting to discuss the plans and have a proper look at them and the general consensus was that people will not want to consistently come to the ground. You say about the Markets Field in 1981 and how bad that was, that's over 30 years ago so why should any comparison be drawn?

Personally I think it would be worse if the ground was finished and then people complained a few years down the line. You would have people saying why didn't the fans bring it to the attention of the LEDP at the time rather than years down the line.

Exact figures with regards rent for Thomond park this season and the rent for the markets field need to be given before people can say it's a saving or on the flip side say it's very expensive.

If a decent crowd is expected for a game it will have to be switched to Thomond park anyway.

I can't see why the fans can't question long term viability.

[NeverFeltBetter]

As a Limerick man living away abroad now I have been following the wonderful developments in The Markets Field since the first announcement that it was to be redeveloped. I have followed it on social media, the LEDP website, Limerick Leader etc. I paid a trip up there on Christmas Eve and looking in the gate I was amazed by what has been done there already. I googled it this morning and was directed to this forum (don’t know why it never came up before) and I actually joined the forum just to respond to the absurdity of some of the comments.

Am I missing something here? A philanthropist buys the former home of Limerick soccer entrusts it to an organisation that has singlehandedly contributed more to the south side of Limerick city than any other organisation public or private (creating jobs in the process) according to their website, they pump massive amounts of money into putting in a brand new pitch, while keeping everyone informed of what is going on by weekly updates on their website (gives me a great link to home), they secure 1.1 m euro from government to redevelop the ground in the teeth of the deepest recession that has ever hit the country ( I know, I had to leave because of it) and they are vilified on this website because it is not what 10 or so contributors who are obviously not representative of the vast majority of Limerick people want.

I put it to you all that it is very easy to hide behind the anonymity that a forum gives and snipe and give out. I even saw a negative comment about the grammar used on their website for God’s sake. If ever the curse of St Munchin was in evidence it is here. I note that one contributor even tells LEDP to make “the right decisions to ensure the ground is a success for themselves and Limerick” I’m sure that that astute comment will have them clamouring to employ you… I don’t know how they redeveloped Krups without you!!! As a follower of Limerick soccer since the last time they won the league (you don’t have to be a member of an organised club to follow soccer) I know that Limerick have had more homes and comebacks than Frank Sinatra, the junior club organisation don’t talk to the senior club organisation, the academy don’t talk to the clubs (they think they are poaching their players apparently) and if it weren’t for people like Hogan, Drew and O’ Sullivan (like them or not), senior soccer in Limerick would be as dead as Frank Sinatra.

But yet when JP McManus, LEDP and Government do something to develop a ground, you whine and complain that it will be the fourth best ground in Munster (about 10 times) and that there will be no bar (if there was you would probably complain about the price of the pint) and your toes might get wet because the stand roof is too short (you were obviously never on the popular side in 1980/81). I really think you all would object to Santa Claus if you had a chance. You had your chance to buy it and develop it yourselves, Limerick FC had a chance to buy it and develop it Pat O’ Sullivan even drew plans for something he didn’t own, the City and all the “interested” councillors had a chance to buy it and develop it, The VEC drew plans to buy it and develop it and guess what……you and they didn’t. The ultimate comment has to be “what a waste giving LEDP the ground” because of course if JP gave it to the supporters they could have redeveloped it faster and better with their vast knowledge of soccer grounds and unlimited resources!!!

You feel that you have a right to tell those that actually did do something what they are doing wrong. One poster even suggests that Limerick stay out of the ground for as long as possible to teach “them” a lesson. Thank God JP McManus had the sense not to hand over the ground to these “free thinkers” or the thistles would be growing back there in no time. For my money the new owners would be perfectly within their rights to tell you where to go (or maybe stay) and go and talk to the other sporting organisations that might have an interest, especially as you all reckon you’ll be dead by 2017 anyway (Rugby League, big in my new neck of the woods, Schoolboy Rugby, Hockey or even the college next door) and I hope that if they do read forums like this they will realise that these forums are not representative of the vast sway of public opinion that would love to see the Markets Field reopened in whatever phased way possible and are delighted that someone in Limerick has the breadth of imagination to do something positive and not just sit on the side-lines and wait for someone to come and ask their opinion and write a blank cheque. Is there is anyone in this group of supporters that can say anything positive about the biggest development for Limerick soccer ever? If there is can they please speak up and at least show the people that are leading the way (LEDP) in this project that there is some gratitude for trying to do the right thing.

Or maybe I am missing something and LEDP has in some way managed to scupper some plan for someone else to make something out of the ground because in my experience when a group of people can find nothing positive to say it is usually because they either are jealous of what others have, or have a bone to pick due to being undermined. From my reading of everything so far LEDP are giving Limerick FC a chance to make the Markets field home for their matches. They are lifting the financial burden of Thomond Park and giving them access to what appears will be the best playing surface in Munster. According to the Leader, Limerick FC have already decided that Bruff Convent is to be their home and in the same way that many of the premiership clubs in England train and administer their clubs at locations other than their match ground, Limerick now have an opportunity to have a home ground without the holding cost. From what I can see LEDP are doing this not out of any commercial prerogative but out of a wish to do the same as they did in the Southside of the city and try and give Limerick FC and the area around the Markets Field a bit of a lift.

But perhaps Limerick soccer and their supporters don’t deserve this or find it hard not to flog a gift horse to death. I don’t have any knowledge of who LEDP are apart from those listed on the website. I see Keith Wood mentioned in posts (in a derogatory way as is common on this forum) and can only assume that he has some consultative role in the project because he is not listed on their executive or board but I do know what a loss Krups was and from what I can see that site now seems to be thriving again. I, for one, can’t wait to get back into the Markets Field…..now come and take a swipe at me!!!!!!

There, Jesus, it's not that hard.

As for the content, the same guff as before. If you're happy to think the very best of the LEDP and its motivations (I especially liked your claim they have no commercial interest - another "token rent" guy I assume) and act as if nothing's wrong, that's your prerogative. But the plans have problems, and fans - and there are a lot of them, Limerick and elsewhere - are not wrong to comment on those problems. End of story.

[limerickmurf1]

I note that you don't address the questions addressed in the guff. It mightn't be perfect but where is your alternative and how do you intend to pay for it. I never mentioned the word token in relation to rent. Why do you have to personalise every criticism or is no one else allowed an opinion

[LFC Blue]

As a Limerick man living away abroad now I have been following the wonderful developments in The Markets Field since the first announcement that it was to be redeveloped. I have followed it on social media, the LEDP website, Limerick Leader etc. I paid a trip up there on Christmas Eve and looking in the gate I was amazed by what has been done there already. I googled it this morning and was directed to this forum (don’t know why it never came up before) and I actually joined the forum just to respond to the absurdity of some of the comments. Am I missing something here? A philanthropist buys the former home of Limerick soccer entrusts it to an organisation that has singlehandedly contributed more to the south side of Limerick city than any other organisation public or private (creating jobs in the process) according to their website, they pump massive amounts of money into putting in a brand new pitch, while keeping everyone informed of what is going on by weekly updates on their website (gives me a great link to home), they secure 1.1 m euro from government to redevelop the ground in the teeth of the deepest recession that has ever hit the country ( I know, I had to leave because of it) and they are vilified on this website because it is not what 10 or so contributors who are obviously not representative of the vast majority of Limerick people want. I put it to you all that it is very easy to hide behind the anonymity that a forum gives and snipe and give out. I even saw a negative comment about the grammar used on their website for God’s sake. If ever the curse of St Munchin was in evidence it is here. I note that one contributor even tells LEDP to make “the right decisions to ensure the ground is a success for themselves and Limerick” I’m sure that that astute comment will have them clamouring to employ you… I don’t know how they redeveloped Krups without you!!! As a follower of Limerick soccer since the last time they won the league (you don’t have to be a member of an organised club to follow soccer) I know that Limerick have had more homes and comebacks than Frank Sinatra, the junior club organisation don’t talk to the senior club organisation, the academy don’t talk to the clubs (they think they are poaching their players apparently) and if it weren’t for people like Hogan, Drew and O’ Sullivan (like them or not), senior soccer in Limerick would be as dead as Frank Sinatra. But yet when JP McManus, LEDP and Government do something to develop a ground, you whine and complain that it will be the fourth best ground in Munster (about 10 times) and that there will be no bar (if there was you would probably complain about the price of the pint) and your toes might get wet because the stand roof is too short (you were obviously never on the popular side in 1980/81). I really think you all would object to Santa Claus if you had a chance. You had your chance to buy it and develop it yourselves, Limerick FC had a chance to buy it and develop it Pat O’ Sullivan even drew plans for something he didn’t own, the City and all the “interested” councillors had a chance to buy it and develop it, The VEC drew plans to buy it and develop it and guess what……you and they didn’t. The ultimate comment has to be “what a waste giving LEDP the ground” because of course if JP gave it to the supporters they could have redeveloped it faster and better with their vast knowledge of soccer grounds and unlimited resources!!! You feel that you have a right to tell those that actually did do something what they are doing wrong. One poster even suggests that Limerick stay out of the ground for as long as possible to teach “them” a lesson. Thank God JP McManus had the sense not to hand over the ground to these “free thinkers” or the thistles would be growing back there in no time. For my money the new owners would be perfectly within their rights to tell you where to go (or maybe stay) and go and talk to the other sporting organisations that might have an interest, especially as you all reckon you’ll be dead by 2017 anyway (Rugby League, big in my new neck of the woods, Schoolboy Rugby, Hockey or even the college next door) and I hope that if they do read forums like this they will realise that these forums are not representative of the vast sway of public opinion that would love to see the Markets Field reopened in whatever phased way possible and are delighted that someone in Limerick has the breadth of imagination to do something positive and not just sit on the side-lines and wait for someone to come and ask their opinion and write a blank cheque. Is there is anyone in this group of supporters that can say anything positive about the biggest development for Limerick soccer ever? If there is can they please speak up and at least show the people that are leading the way (LEDP) in this project that there is some gratitude for trying to do the right thing. Or maybe I am missing something and LEDP has in some way managed to scupper some plan for someone else to make something out of the ground because in my experience when a group of people can find nothing positive to say it is usually because they either are jealous of what others have, or have a bone to pick due to being undermined. From my reading of everything so far LEDP are giving Limerick FC a chance to make the Markets field home for their matches. They are lifting the financial burden of Thomond Park and giving them access to what appears will be the best playing surface in Munster. According to the Leader, Limerick FC have already decided that Bruff Convent is to be their home and in the same way that many of the premiership clubs in England train and administer their clubs at locations other than their match ground, Limerick now have an opportunity to have a home ground without the holding cost. From what I can see LEDP are doing this not out of any commercial prerogative but out of a wish to do the same as they did in the Southside of the city and try and give Limerick FC and the area around the Markets Field a bit of a lift. But perhaps Limerick soccer and their supporters don’t deserve this or find it hard not to flog a gift horse to death. I don’t have any knowledge of who LEDP are apart from those listed on the website. I see Keith Wood mentioned in posts (in a derogatory way as is common on this forum) and can only assume that he has some consultative role in the project because he is not listed on their executive or board but I do know what a loss Krups was and from what I can see that site now seems to be thriving again. I, for one, can’t wait to get back into the Markets Field…..now come and take a swipe at me!!!!!!

I agree entirely with what you say . How Limerick fans cannot be anything but positive over this move is baffling especially considering the turmoil that the club has been through since we left the markets field in the 80s

[Jofspring]

I agree entirely with what you say . How Limerick fans cannot be anything but positive over this move is baffling especially considering the turmoil that the club has been through since we left the markets field in the 80s

Why haven't you addressed a counter argument for any of the concerns the fans have brought up on this forum? You just keep saying you can't understand it and totally ignore the reasons put forward by some fans on this every time they have answered you with reasons.

[bluewhitearmy]

How is it hard to understand that fans are not happy with something that could mean the death of their club? I mean really like how can anyone not grasp the fact that fans may not be too happy with that. I was delighted when the news first came out about the Markets Field i couldn't wait for us to go home but the truth of the matter is we aren't moving into a home. These people go on about how we had to rent Jackman,Pike and Thomond there is absolutely no difference whatsoever in what we will be doing in Markets Field.

What would be nice is if one of these people that come on here giving it the whole oh isn't it great talk actually made a single valid point so far all they have done is have a go at Limerick fans and come out with what every single Limerick fan has already acknowledged that it was great of JP to buy the ground. So please now limerickmurf, LFC Blue or even Donrua who appears to agree with limerickmurf please have a read of the actual concerns of Limerick fans and give a real argument to those points i'll list a few.

Why isn't it a bad thing that if we were to expect a big crowd we would have to go back to Thomond?
How is it not a bad thing that in 2014 stands will be built that do not even cover all the seats in them?
How is it not a bad thing that the club can make no revenue in their "home" and therefore puts the future of the club at risk?
Who will realistically use the ground if Limerick were to go? Keep in mind with that one that the LEDP need to make their money back.

As Jofspring has said LFC Blue has been given the fans reasons over and over again each time he completely ignores them and completely ignores any questions he is asked. So why don't one of ye actually answer a question or make a proper point as to why we are wrong with our concerns.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Exactly. The desire for a bar (ie, an income avenue), for the away section to not be so far from the pitch (ie, to encourage more of them to make repeat visits), for the club to have a greater presence other than the 20 days a year (so its our home ground, as opposed to just another facility we rent), are not some pie in the sky fantasy complaints that could not possibly be undertaken. It's all stuff that could be sorted now, but it isn't. That's the alternative you keep pretending doesn't exist.

And you can pretend these are meaningless complaints all you want. They'll all have repercussions. And you can pretend that you're better fans of Limerick football too, even though you're mindlessly endorsing a set-up that could easily leave the club in a weaker financial position as time goes on.

[Charlie Darwin]

If LEDP did build a bar, why do people assume the club would get income from it?

[bluewhitearmy]

If LEDP did build a bar, why do people assume the club would get income from it?

The point is that there should be a bar that Limerick make income from not just there should be a bar. The only way they would get a bar in there is a members bar anyway.