lolololololololol!Originally Posted by mypost
It doesn't just happen to us. It makes the news, because Shamrock Rovers is news in LOI. Every time we sneeze in the wrong direction, it's in the papers, on a website, and/or on the tv, and debated at length.
I've heard of many other clubs where their buses were attacked not just in Derry, but throughout the country, but the general public go "meh" about everyone else.
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The more and more I think about this I think it shows the inherent bias among the LOI support, the FAI, the Gardai, the PSNI and the Illuminati towards Shams.
Also as an aside, Mypost did your flying saucer get bricked on the way out too?
I can't understand how policing in and around grounds isn't part of the leagues participation agreement... anyone able to enlighten me?
Was your magic plane ever attacked mypost?
Last edited by poster; 27/03/2011 at 1:16 PM. Reason: Rasputin got there before me, but I'll keep her up anywho
No surprise that the only bit of sense spoken in this thread has been completely ignored.
On the topic of incidents outside grounds surely the host club has a responsibility to guarantee the away team bus safe passage away from the vicinity by working with the local police to put a matchday security operation in place? I thought this the norm everywhere? If a home club cant guarantee the safety of the away teams players and coaching staff should they be allowed play home games at all?
It seems EP that there is a lot of apathy when it comes to your fans being attacked . The reasons put forward appear to be that ye bring it upon yourselves by causing or provoking trouble everywhere . Trouble is not new to LOI and Sligo was one of the main sets of fans who were not welcome anywhere because of holigans.The Bogside to be fair is an exception when it comes to policing for obvious reasons . I read that Sham fans did their fair share of trouble in Sligo (one guy hospitalised) so you know . Listen I am not advocating violence in any form and beleive clubs are the best way to sort it out no police but it happens and will happen and I beleive no club is immune . It is a horrible image conjured up when one thinks of kids on buses having glass crashing in on them and if you want to stop that at least then report the stoners , locals know who they are .
I see in England holigans go to jail and/or get bans from grounds .
Must have been a few - there was about 15 Drogheda fansin total.
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Good man.
too easy to say Shams fans brought it on themselves, doesnt justify bricking buses.. there is a genuine fans that travel to their away games and the scum element are in the minority
Harleyleeds, what difference will reporting who the stoners are make? There is a difference between knowing who is responsible and proving it/getting something done. Hell, coming from the area myself I could probably hazard a guess at a few of the ringleaders. Chances are those involved are not DCFC fans but local hoods, banning them from the stadium won't make much of a difference. If they watch the games they do it from Skint Hill so there is nothing the club can do to punish them. The less said about having the PSNI patrolling the ground the better. . .
very surprised to hear this. We've never had any hassle whatsoever in Derry. Can walk in and out of the ground feeling quite safe.
Of course you can, most other LOI clubs are the same, bar one for some reason
Thats news to me! sure you are not mixing the two Rovers up?
Anyhow, returning home from the Brandywell about 10yrs ago the supporters coach I was on was attacked - there is little animosity between Dundalk and Derry, it was obviously a few local sh*theads indulging in that uniquely Northern Irish activity of recreational rioting and we were side act - wrong place wrong time. Never happened again upon any return visit.
For Derry fans to say that rovers were inciting trouble by whatever was being sung by their support is weak, thats football, fans sing insulting songs world over...dont be so soft.
Outside the ground should be policed by the PSNI (I understand the historical/political context of the location), but again the club and police should be liasing about this. If it is not possible to police the Brandywell area well then think again before spending that nice chunk of cash heading your way on a ground in a policing no go area.
Shams fans in particular mypost - get over yourself and this persecution complex, the reason your fans behaviour is scrutinised is because you are the most successful club in the LoI, play out of the top ground, are current league champs, model club, wealthiest etc etc all those things that you constantly remind the rest of us of; and element of your travelling support regularily cause trouble....the best worst fans. Like it or not the scrutiny has more to do with the apparent regularity of incidents and the subsequent expectation that somthing is going to happen.
Dundalk have worked hard in improving security in an around Oriel Park at significant cost for away, home support, and local residents. Maybe some Bohs fans might like to comment but the security effort is excellent with the Mounted police unit and the Dog unit available. Fans are kept well apart and potential hotspots for the stone throwers are closely monitored. Recent Setanta cup games have highlighted the success of the efforts, so it can be done if the will is there. Its not perfect and there is always a chance some idiot will get through but thankfull more likely the exception than the rule. As for our own travelling support well lets hope that our scumbags are not given the oppertunity to embaress us due to appropriate security at aways grounds -Tallaght for example is excellent to travel to for this very reason
I'd agree there, if the songs were actually sung inside the ground and not outside in a bar close to the ground were locals are present, big difference there.
Not so sure CTID, ok maybe there is an underlying context that makes such behaviour particularily insensitive and also leaves away supporters open to attacks from people not associated with the game. But if you think Glentoran fans didnt sing Rule Britannia while walking up the Carrick Rd outside the ground for example. I dont know if what was sung merited an attack. Maybe i'm naively underestimating the level of insult.
I agree with Nesta99, certain clubs do manage crowds well i.e Dundalk. When there was the trouble from a small part of the Rovers fans the Gardai were very quick to move in and deal with it. Like i said, If Derry v Rovers is a problematic fixture, Derry need to do more about it. There is plenty that can be done and the Rovers board are very pro-active in identifying trouble makes. They identified certain culprits that were caught on camera and named them to Gardai and this led to prosecution.. So is it a communication problem between the two clubs? Do the PSNI not receive information on these problems?? I have been to every league ground in the country to watch Shamrock Rover and only twice to the Brandywell. I can honestly say I was surprised a bit when i heard about the problems.. granted i have not been for a good 8 years. In all my away travels i have rarely seen trouble.. normally great banter in the pub before and after, but i am aware that the bad name some idiots have caused rovers hasn't been made up.. old expression 'no smoke without fire' etc..
Was that the time that a van load of incredibly drunk Dundalk supporters thought they would head on down into the Bogside to show the locals how hard men they were, then went crying to the media when they ran like ***k.
The only place there has been any mention of any trouble at Fridays game with Rovers is on the Rovers forum, and for all their posting there is no post giving us a clear idea of what supposedly happened. Derry has en playing football in the LOI now since 1985, and the only bit of trouble there ever was in the Brandywell involved Rovers supporters. Now i'm sue most of Rovers supporters are well behaved fans, it's just unfortunate they have more than their fair share of dumb nuts, who have more interest in drinking them self into a stupor than watching a football game.
[QUOTE=Derry;1470061]Was that the time that a van load of incredibly drunk Dundalk supporters thought they would head on down into the Bogside to show the locals how hard men they were, then went crying to the media when they ran like ***k.
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No! But well done for the attempted deflection
I dont think many are up to date with the recent political history of the area, it may not insult Derry fans within the ground, but outside of it and the surrounding area is a very different matter. So yes I believe you are being a little naive in this instance
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