Trouble outside Stadiums

**The Lep** · 26/03/2011, 9:32 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

I don't accept singing songs as deserving an attack. If that is the case, the game shouldn't be played there. Pats fans were singing Tallaght is a sh!thole last week and got out of Tallaght unharmed. There was no mob outside and there were plenty of police officers if there was.

For the 2007 incident, Rovers fans called outside the ground, the police told them to go to the Strand Rd station and report it there, they would not come to the area. They are not doing anything about it. There is only one way out of the ground, it should not be difficult to stop. In 2009 and 0-1 win, supporters club bus turns left out of the car park, two windows on the left side smashed.

There may be nothing Derry City FC can do, but why should Rovers be expected to fulfill games there to be bricked time after time..

But Tallaght is a ****e hole

but there is a difference in singing that and singing sensitive songs in a republican area of Derry. I agree that no matter what is sung its no excuse for buses to be bricked but the main point is that visiting fans can play their part in keeping the potential for any incidents to a minimum . The local police can play their part as well in making sure any away fans are kept safe when outside the ground.

**jinxy lilywhite** · 26/03/2011, 9:34 PM

I think it's hilarious that rovers fans are crying over their treatment at away games when their supporters are notorious for acting the cnuts. To be honest any violence outside the grounds is not acceptable and should not be taken by home supporters as a public order offence as we're digging our heads in the sand. But in fairness if some oxygen thieves out there (and we have our fair share) are determined to do something the likelihood is that they will.
But the annoying thing is and it is really frustrating since i've began to take in a few rugby games too is that fans there can mingle, banter and enjoy watching the game together. What is it with football that we allow neanderthals (sorry for offending the neanderthals) to rule the roost.

**poster** · 26/03/2011, 9:40 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

since i've began to take in a few rugby games too is that fans there can mingle, banter and enjoy watching the game together. What is it with football that we allow neanderthals (sorry for offending the neanderthals) to rule the roost.

I'd take my chances with the Neanderthals thanks very much...

**dfx-** · 26/03/2011, 9:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Lep

But Tallaght is a ****e hole

Ah now, let's not make stuff up

Originally Posted by The Lep

The local police can play their part as well in making sure any away fans are kept safe when outside the ground.

There isn't any local police presence at all in my experience. At least at Oriel, you can see the station

**The Lep** · 26/03/2011, 9:59 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

Ah now, let's not make stuff up

There isn't any local police presence at all in my experience.

Ok, Tallaght is lovely place

**dfx-** · 26/03/2011, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by redobit

first let me say Im not condoning buses being pelted with stones, but I will say this

I'm not racist, but....

**sligo23** · 26/03/2011, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by dfx-

I'm not racist, but....

Ohhhh the irony!!!

**MMVIII** · 26/03/2011, 10:59 PM

Que more threads on the always ultra forum about how foot.ie and every other club in the country are bias, bitter, jealous etc towards Shamrock Rovers.

**EivissaPaul** · 26/03/2011, 11:11 PM

Firstly, all bullsh*t aside, and dont offer pi$$ poor excuses.. why is the Derry City V Shamrock Rovers game so badly policed when clearly there has been problems at this fixture in previous seasons??

Secondly, I am not moaning about how rovers fans are treated, I am a shamrock rovers fan and would hope that if i went to the Brandywell i would be safe and could enjoy a good away trip. Even if some mindless idiot beside me shouts something sectarian, Derry City FC have to some point an obligation to ensure my safety, that comes with the admission fee.

Thirdly, the majority of clubs with a big fan base have a bad element, dont kid yourselves. Am fully aware of the Rovers reputation.. It does not excuse the players team bus nor fans buses being attacked. regardless of reputation or behaviour in the ground of a small few.

**dcfc_1928** · 26/03/2011, 11:24 PM

I'm certainly not condoning what happened, but you must know very little about the cultural sensitivities that exist in the North, if you can't see how provocative it is singing songs like that around the Bogside/Brandywell (or indeed any nationalist area in the north)

If Rovers fans are suggesting that Derry City FC should do something to help prevent the trouble, then you must surely accept that Rovers fans could also do their bit to prevent trouble?

You're only going to wind up the locals - most of whom aren't even interested in LOI football anyway - if you go through the area ****ed, singing songs about the queen. Respect the host community that you're in.

Originally Posted by dfx-

I don't accept singing songs as deserving an attack.

For the 2007 incident, Rovers fans called outside the ground, the police told them to go to the Strand Rd station and report it there, they would not come to the area. They are not doing anything about it. There is only one way out of the ground, it should not be difficult to stop. In 2009 and 0-1 win, supporters club bus turns left out of the car park, two windows on the left side smashed.

There may be nothing Derry City FC can do, but why should Rovers be expected to fulfill games there to be bricked time after time..

**dcfc_1928** · 26/03/2011, 11:25 PM

Were fans attacked inside the stadium?

Originally Posted by EivissaPaul

Secondly, I am not moaning about how rovers fans are treated, I am a shamrock rovers fan and would hope that if i went to the Brandywell i would be safe and could enjoy a good away trip. Even if some mindless idiot beside me shouts something sectarian, Derry City FC have to some point an obligation to ensure my safety, that comes with the admission fee.

**EivissaPaul** · 26/03/2011, 11:33 PM

I think Derry need to ensure it is accordingly policed outside too.. I would hope that Derry supporters felt safe coming to Tallaght inside and outside the stadium. Do you not agree??

**Aaron** · 26/03/2011, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by EivissaPaul

I think Derry need to ensure it is accordingly policed outside too.. I would hope that Derry supporters felt safe coming to Tallaght inside and outside the stadium. Do you not agree??

Derry City cannot police outside the ground, that is up to the PSNI. AFAIC, our stewards do a good enough job inside the ground so PSNI never has been and hopefully never will be required inside. Its not up to the club if an away supporter gets atacked outside the ground.

**dfx-** · 27/03/2011, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by dcfc_1928

If Rovers fans are suggesting that Derry City FC should do something to help prevent the trouble, then you must surely accept that Rovers fans could also do their bit to prevent trouble?

My argument is not to do with Derry City FC, but the area the ground is in for the fixture that it is holding. If the area cannot be policed and team buses (carrying club employees who have not sang anything nor hung full tricolours, nothing except doing their job) or indiscriminate and random breaking of fans buses then the area is not suitable for the event. It is not an isolated, heated event and it will happen again in July unless coach companies refuse to send buses up to save on insurance.

**Sean South** · 27/03/2011, 12:04 AM

Some amount of bite here. Hats off to you EivissaPaul

**mypost** · 27/03/2011, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by dcfc_1928

I'm certainly not condoning what happened, but you must know very little about the cultural sensitivities that exist in the North, if you can't see how provocative it is singing songs like that around the Bogside/Brandywell (or indeed any nationalist area in the north)

If Rovers fans are suggesting that Derry City FC should do something to help prevent the trouble, then you must surely accept that Rovers fans could also do their bit to prevent trouble?

You're only going to wind up the locals - most of whom aren't even interested in LOI football anyway - if you go through the area ****ed, singing songs about the queen. Respect the host community that you're in.

The bi-annual bricking of our fans buses in the Brandywell has nothing to do with singing songs, or offending cultural sensitivities, it's vandalism for vandalism's sake, and would be done regardless whether we were angels or rampaging through the city. I don't sing about the Queen up in Derry, I don't care what religion their fans worship, I'm too busy concentrating on the game. Still get bricked on the way back though.

I was on one of the buses that got bricked last night. We knew it was coming, we saw it flying through the air, and it hit the target. It didn't smash anything, but that doesn't make it alright. It can't be condoned or excused by anyone. One minute it's bricks, it could easily be glass bottles next time. And it's in mid-July, of all times. It's up to the local police in the area to sort the problem out, not us.

**EivissaPaul** · 27/03/2011, 12:30 AM

Nearly every league ground has some level of Garda presence.. inside and out of the stadium. Why is the PSNI not at the brandywell??? Its not completely up to the club but there must be some communication between club and local police???

**bullit** · 27/03/2011, 12:58 AM

Dundalk buses got done bout 6 years ago in Athlone,it happened on the outskirts of the town and NATO could'nt have prevented what happened.Frightening experience.

The Garda/Police can only do so much within a certain time frame,so how long after the match did the ALLEGED bricking happen ??

**L.T.F.C.** · 27/03/2011, 2:30 AM

I feel so sorry for all the poor Rovers fans...

Anyway, has this happened before?

**Rocketman** · 27/03/2011, 2:56 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

The bi-annual bricking of our fans buses in the Brandywell has nothing to do with singing songs, or offending cultural sensitivities, it's vandalism for vandalism's sake, and would be done regardless whether we were angels or rampaging through the city. I don't sing about the Queen up in Derry, I don't care what religion their fans worship, I'm too busy concentrating on the game. Still get bricked on the way back though.

I was on one of the buses that got bricked last night. We knew it was coming, we saw it flying through the air, and it hit the target. It didn't smash anything, but that doesn't make it alright. It can't be condoned or excused by anyone. One minute it's bricks, it could easily be glass bottles next time. And it's in mid-July, of all times. It's up to the local police in the area to sort the problem out, not us.

Boo hoo, why does no other team leaving the Brandywell not get attacked. Did Rovers get the same at Sligo mmmmmm what can the common theme be here......A Certain amount Rovers fans cause crap for their club. As you can see there is not much pity for Rovers here. I do not condone the breaking of windows at all, far from it. But why is it this only happens to Rovers!!!!!! Answers on a post card to ......