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    Well I'm giving third hand info. Club told me (and other fans present) that thats what they were told from supplier. Could easily be a marketing ploy for them, but I thought it was worthy enouigh to pass on. If you know differently, then so be it
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    i think suppliers say if it is open to public more than 10 hours a week approz it would be nearly impossible to maintain the uefa status regardless of maintanence program.
    I wish i did not know then what I dont know now

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    I wouldn't say it's a runner for any of the clubs that don't own their own ground - Tallaght, Turner's Cross, Terryland. We'd barely be allowed paint lines on the RSC pitch let alone dig it up and put down astroturf.

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    Aaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! It's not astroturf!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    Pats are seriously looking at this.

    They've been told that to stage European games a certain type of field has to be installed and then it can only be used 8 hours per week.

    So the decision is do you spend more on a pitch that can only be used 8 hours a week (and therefore not be a revenue maker) but can be used in Europe...

    Or forget about European football and introduce a revenue making pitch that can be used for league games.

    They were talking to the company who layed Dundalk's pitch and were told that Oriel wouldn't be allowed host European games without relaying the pitch.

    I think the figure mentioned was about €250k

    Info was givena pre-season Q&A session with club/supporters club
    The bit in bold is not correct Dodge.

    We have one at Solitude. All in all it cost us close to £400k. It has been given a FIFA 2 Star rating which is what is require to be played on in Europe.

    It must be remembered that there are various types of 3g pitch, not only in quality of the 'turf' itself but also in its construction. This can have a significant impact on cost and the life expectancy. Our 'turf' has a life of about 10 years, however use and maintence or lack of will impact on that.

    A major part of our cost was in preparation of the sub-base which in effect was similar to the construction of a road and fininshed with a bitmac layer. The turf was laid on top, weighted with a sand layer and then topped with the crumb.

    Our neighbours Crusaders chose a different method. Initially they did not put in a bitmac layer but chose to install a shockpad on top of the sub-base, then turn and weighted it with sand. The put in very little crumb. Subsequently after several issues it was lifted and I believe they then put down a bitmac layer and also added addtion crumb.

    We hire out our pitch and it is in constant use each night and weekends. When it is re-tested next autumn it will give us a good indication of how long it will last.

    It must be remembered that money does need to be set aside for replacement turf. However remember too that there are savings eg hire of training and match facilities. For us that equated to nearly £800 pw over all our teams, though if you are going to operate as a hired facility you have the cost of staffing etc.

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    I suspect that if its a busy as you say then it will proberly pass after year one and two with good maintanance but will start to struggle from year three.
    I wish i did not know then what I dont know now

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    Quote Originally Posted by passerrby View Post
    I suspect that if its a busy as you say then it will proberly pass after year one and two with good maintanance but will start to struggle from year three.
    At worst, opinion is 6 years if it is not given regular maintenance, refills etc.

    Also consider by comparison how often a grass pitch needs to be returfed etc.

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    'They' whomever they might be are unlikely to understate their product

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    'They' whomever they might be are unlikely to understate their product
    It wasn't 'they' that stated such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Parker View Post
    It wasn't 'they' that stated such.
    Thats what I was getting at! 8 hours of use is seriously limited, therefore I dont see Fieldturf making an easy sell to clubs on a cost benefit basis. While not dismissing reservations stated above it seems unusual that a company would more or less talk themselves out of a sale.

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    Here is a list of some of the variations in quality just from one company alone.

    http://www.lanosports.com/en/461

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    most if not all companies will talk up a pitchs longevity however if you use your pitch as a revenue generateor it will struggle through an uefa inspection after three years
    ask a company to give you a garentuee it will pass in say year four and watch them stutter
    I wish i did not know then what I dont know now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesta99 View Post
    Thats what I was getting at! 8 hours of use is seriously limited, therefore I dont see Fieldturf making an easy sell to clubs on a cost benefit basis. While not dismissing reservations stated above it seems unusual that a company would more or less talk themselves out of a sale.
    Just too far fetched to be true.

    "Hey guys, we want you to buy a 3G pitch from us. We layed the one in Dundalk in Feb 2009. It can only take 3 match sessions a week and won't pass the next UEFA test. Other then that it's great. Will you sign the order now please?"

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    This is the LoI of course-anythings possible, Delaney might soon be forcing everyone to upgrade to them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezeikial View Post
    Just too far fetched to be true.

    "Hey guys, we want you to buy a 3G pitch from us. We layed the one in Dundalk in Feb 2009. It can only take 3 match sessions a week and won't pass the next UEFA test. Other then that it's great. Will you sign the order now please?"
    Doesn't make sense to me. You play two games on it in a week and that means you are limited to two 1 hour training sessions? I think the information has been muddled up somewhere

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    More info here on the Oriel Pitch, test procedures, FIFA's perspective and difference between FIFA 1 star V 2 star certificates -
    http://www.dundalkfc.com/club/about-our-pitch/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Parker View Post
    The turf was laid on top, weighted with a sand layer and then topped with the crumb.
    Are you talking about a football pitch or a pie?
    Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?

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    Sand layer...mmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by thischarmingman View Post
    Sand layer...mmmmmm
    Feckin nouveau cuisine...
    Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?

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    Quote Originally Posted by passerrby View Post
    most if not all companies will talk up a pitchs longevity however if you use your pitch as a revenue generateor it will struggle through an uefa inspection after three years
    ask a company to give you a garentuee it will pass in say year four and watch them stutter
    As I said previously it is very much down to how the pitch is maintained and as they don't have control on that they will not give such guarantees as they have no control over that.

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