Adam Barton

[Not Brazil]

What's the latest on Lee Camp though??

In the Northern Ireland squad to face Serbia and Slovenia in a couple of weeks...so you had better be quick.

[Not Brazil]

Maybe Paul Doolin could give Gorman at wolves who previously walked in the light at under 16s for us when he payed at Man Utd a chance to come back to the under 19s brotherhood now that he has a few full international caps for the north!!

Gorman is tied to Northern Ireland

[ArdeeBhoy]

Well know it's a concept the North doesn't like to contemplate, but my context related to the future, as in plenty of their reserves and U-21's of their own being born on the Brit mainland. And why shouldn't they be....
Just mind the hypocrisy!

As for the U-21 rankings, given our joint woeful standings, maybe we should have a combined team in future??

[ArdeeBhoy]

Fair play NB, though won't Maik Taylor be peed-off by some relative 'blow-in', or will he be glad of the rest??

IMHO, should probably stick with him for the rst of the campaign, unless he's gone seriously downhill, form-wise?

[Gather round]

Given your recent U-21 performnces you'd struggle to persuade San Marino or Andorra to a merger.

Euro 2011 U-21 qualifying aggregate table (of each team's results against the four other highest-ranked teams in their group)

41, Kazakhstan 5
41, Lithuania 5
43, Bulgaria 4
43, Luxembourg 4
43, Albania 4

43, Azerbaijan 4
47, R Ireland 3
48, Macedonia 2
49, Andorra 0
49, Liechtenstein 0

49, San Marino 0
49, Malta 0

Taylor is far too professional to worry about competition for his place- 'blow in' or otherwise.

[Not Brazil]

Fair play NB, though won't Maik Taylor be peed-off by some relative 'blow-in', or will he be glad of the rest??

IMHO, should probably stick with him for the rst of the campaign, unless he's gone seriously downhill, form-wise?

Lee Camp is playing well, regularly, for Forest.

Maik is hardly getting a look in at Brum.

It's a tough call, but I have little doubt that Camp will play some part in the next 2 games. He's our future "No 1".

[ArdeeBhoy]

Euro 2011 U-21 qualifying aggregate table (of each team's results against the four other highest-ranked teams in their group)

41, Kazakhstan 5
41, Lithuania 5
43, Bulgaria 4
43, Luxembourg 4
43, Albania 4

43, Azerbaijan 4
47, R Ireland 3
48, Macedonia 2
49, Andorra 0
49, Liechtenstein 0

49, San Marino 0
49, Malta 0

If you say so....

[tommy_c12000]

How good is he? I see that he was an unused substitute in PNE's 3-0 victory last night

[Gather round]

He's good enough for the worst first team in English D2, presumably?

[ifk101]

How good is he? I see that he was an unused substitute in PNE's 3-0 victory last night

He's good enough to be considered an option for our U21 squad. He's good enough to play senior football for NI.

[ArdeeBhoy]

He's good enough for the worst first team in English D2, presumably?

Well, not if he's sub!

[Gather round]

He's played about 25 games D2 for them this term. Maybe he was better when he was in the NI squad.

[geysir]

Agreed, there's some justification for any ire towards him
yeah, he pulled out of their games in October so he would remain eligible for England - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/9044523.stm

We only have Worthington's word for that.

Possibly Barton told Worthington a yarn just to get him off his case and didn't know how to break to him that he would prefer to declare for the FAI.

[Gather round]

We only have Worthington's word for that

Aren't two people (NW and an unnamed IFA spokesman) referred in that BBC article? I think it's probably a fair idea of what Barton said.

Possibly Barton told Worthington a yarn just to get him off his case and didn't know how to break to him that he would prefer to declare for the FAI

Aye, possibly. Although posibly not, given his willingness to play in our Morocco friendly two months later.

[geysir]

Unlike ye lot, I keep an open mind and being a wise man I do not take the IFA's word as gospel.
There is nothing in that article directly quoting Barton.
The article is maybe a fair representation of how the IFA see it but it is not a representation of Barton's own opinions.
Who knows why he turned up to join the IFA squad, maybe Worthington invited him to the IFA set up and Barton being a polite lad accepted, but always knowing that he did not have to do that for rest of time, i.e. what exists in his international career.
I wouldn't condemn a teenager for life, for making a mistake. I'd be of a similar opinion to Yard of Pace on this matter.

[Gather round]

Unlike ye lot, I keep an open mind and being a wise man I do not take the IFA's word as gospel

Do you think you have unique powers of open-mindedness then? Not so. I also have an open mind about some of the baloney NW comes out with. But in this case it sounds plausible.

The article is maybe a fair representation of how the IFA see it but it is not a representation of Barton's own opinions

How do you know? He may have changed his mind again (and again). You have no idea what he said to Worthington, Worthington does and has mentioned it in the media.

Who knows why he turned up to join the IFA squad

He does, I hope.

I wouldn't condemn a teenager for life, for making a mistake

That's generous of you, but I doubt anyone is condemning him for life. Unless you think that and chiding him for being a time-waster are the same thing.

[DannyInvincible]

In which case, he would need to establish his eligibility for his "new" country under FIFA Article 17:

"Any Player who [seeks to] assume a new nationality [and who is not already tied to an Association] shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfils one of the following conditions:

(a ) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(b ) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(c ) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;
(d ) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association."

Therefore unless he has either unearthed another ROI-born Grandparent*, or FIFA considers NI to constitute part of the "territory" of the FAI(!), I fail to see how he qualifies.

Whilst the territory does not equate to the administrative jurisdiction of the FAI under the most literal of interpretations, it is clear that the latter is indeed the case; shock, horror! Evidently so, FIFA deem the jurisdiction of the IFA to be the territory of the FAI for the purposes of their rules on player nationality; it is a territory from which automatic and permanent Irish nationality is granted, after all.

Didn't geysir explain all this to you here, even mentioning how Howard Wells was on record saying he'd requested clarification from FIFA's legal department on how Alex Bruce is eligible to play for us through merely having a northern-born grandparent?

OK, I'll rephrase it: "Either way, there is absolutely no indication that Barton is even considering representing ROI..."

Happy now?

Maybe of more use to you would be the question of whether or not Barton held Irish nationality at the time of representing Northern Ireland, seeing as Irish nationality acquired through an Irish grandparent is not automatic from birth, nor does it take retroactive effect once granted. Truth be told, I'd actually be interested in knowing that myself. If the IFA were on the ball here, and I know chances of that may be rather slim, there could be a lovely Summer holiday to Lausanne in the pipeline for another lucky underling out of this. Just so long as this one remembers to bring the wording of the correct statute with him! (That would be article 18.1 (a), of course.)

[paul_oshea]

Do you think you have unique powers of open-mindedness then? Not so. I also have an open mind about some of the baloney NW comes out with. But in this case it sounds plausible.



How do you know? He may have changed his mind again (and again). You have no idea what he said to Worthington, Worthington does and has mentioned it in the media.



He does, I hope.



That's generous of you, but I doubt anyone is condemning him for life. Unless you think that and chiding him for being a time-waster are the same thing.

I think the point geysir is making is that NW is a liar....

He is merely saying that nothing has actually been said by Barton on the issue. That NW in the past has been suspect in certain issues. Given these(previous incidents as opposed to this) he is saying that he wouldn't believe what NW says, until he hears both sides of the storY(ies) at least

[geysir]

As for IFA plausibility,
it is quite obvious that the IFA had not a clue what Barton was thinking. It is quite obvious that Barton had little inclination or desire to 'to remain eligible for England' and it's quite obvious that was not his reason for his withdrawal from the IFA squad.

[Not Brazil]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-15008047.html