Adam Barton

[paul_oshea]

So was the England thing a Facade.

Or is Ireland the next logical stepping stone to ENgland....;D

[Not Brazil]

Maybe of more use to you would be the question of whether or not Barton held Irish nationality at the time of representing Northern Ireland, seeing as Irish nationality acquired through an Irish grandparent is not automatic from birth, nor does it take retroactive effect once granted. Truth be told, I'd actually be interested in knowing that myself. If the IFA were on the ball here, and I know chances of that may be rather slim, there could be a lovely Summer holiday to Lausanne in the pipeline for another lucky underling out of this. Just so long as this one remembers to bring the wording of the correct statute with him! (That would be article 18.1 (a), of course.)

Indeed.

However, the IFA would be better served in investing their, limited, resources in players who want to play for Northern Ireland.

[geysir]

So was the England thing a Facade.

What I read in the BT article,
'Barton was remaining tight-lipped'

The IFA assume to read Barton's thoughts.

[Gather round]

I think the point geysir is making is that NW is a liar....

He is merely saying that nothing has actually been said by Barton on the issue. That NW in the past has been suspect in certain issues. Given these(previous incidents as opposed to this) he is saying that he wouldn't believe what NW says, until he hears both sides of the storY(ies) at least

He (and you) can believe or not as you please, once you've heard AB's side of the story. Which I suspect you won't. He, or his agent, will just ignore the issue to avoid either a) accusing NW of lying, or b) possibly being caught out as a fibber himself.

]As for IFA plausibility, it is quite obvious that the IFA had not a clue what Barton was thinking. It is quite obvious that Barton had little inclination or desire to 'to remain eligible for England' and it's quite obvious that was not his reason for his withdrawal from the IFA squad

It's not obvious at all. As I suggested, it's plausible that AB

c) gave NB the explanation the latter claimed, back in September

d) may genuinely have meant it at the time (and in November, when he played for NI)

e) changed his mind when the FAI came calling.

But like I said, he revealed himself to be a timewaster in September. NW should have told him to bugger off then.

[paul_oshea]

'Barton was remaining tight-lipped'

Is he afraid of the Dentist?

[paul_oshea]

He (and you) can believe or not as you please, once you've heard AB's side of the story. Which I suspect you won't. He, or his agent, will just ignore the issue to avoid either a) accusing NW of lying, or b) possibly being caught out as a fibber himself.

Don't tar me with the same brush as geysir. I never said what I thought, or my opinion, was or is on the matter.

[Gather round]

Or is Ireland the next logical stepping stone to ENgland....;D

Northern Ireland: rarely qualify, straightforward for an English D2 player to make the team

England: basically the reverse

RoI: neither.

Don't tar me with the same brush as geysir. I never said what I thought, or my opinion, was or is on the matter.

I didn't tar either of you with any brush, nor even imply that you agreed with each other. I merely suggested you were welcome to your opinion(s).

[paul_oshea]

Shop Window.

[Gather round]

Shop Window.

The 47th best U-21 team in Europe isn't really a shop window, is it?

[geysir]

I wouldn't put any value on OWC opinions where they assume to read the thoughts of players who choose to declare for the FAI, after they have played some form of representative football for the IFA. OWC opinions are generally an exercise in prejudice, cynicism and denigration.
In reality Barton's choice is no different than the (much OWC maligned) decisions of Shane Duffy, Darron Gibson and Daniel Kearns.

[Gather round]

I wouldn't put any value on OWC opinions

How very open-minded of you.

All I'm doing is guessing at people's motives based on what they do and say (albeit quoted at second hand in the abence of direct interview).

OWC opinions are generally an exercise in prejudice, cynicism and denigration

Miaow! If that includes me personally, some evidence please. Blowing off steam don't count.

[Not Brazil]

In reality Barton's choice is no different than the (much OWC maligned) decisions of Shane Duffy, Darron Gibson and Daniel Kearns.

It's bad enough the two (Irish) Associations squibbling over Irishmen, but it's quite something when it kicks off over an Englishman.

Something to talk about when we visit Mr Stokes's bar in May.

[Gather round]

Cheers, NB. I'll bring me uke and we'll have a sing-song. "My eyes have seen the glory..."

[Not Brazil]

Cheers, NB. I'll bring me uke and we'll have a sing-song. "My eyes have seen the glory..."

Rule Britannia brother.

[ArdeeBhoy]

At least yer honest, NB.

Though don't be surprised if it doesn't get a good reception.....

[Charlie Darwin]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-15008047.html

One of the most irritating tics of modern journalism is attributing hypothetical quotes to people. "Count me in" etc.

[Not Brazil]

At least yer honest, NB.

Though don't be surprised if it doesn't get a good reception.....

I'd be amazed if it did.

Makes it even better.

Proms Night at Stokes's - be there, or be square.

Wonder will I be allowed to display my 60ft by 40ft banner of Her Majesty in all her Regal elegance, with "Coming to a town near you - soon" on it.

[Sullivinho]

Maybe he thinks he can drag you into the top 40 of the UEFA u-21 rankings?

Aye, he clearly has ambitions.

[liamoo11]

Gorman is hardly a "boy Wonder". He is a sub on Wolves reserves a team that three current under 19 Irish internationals Doherty, Mccarey and Forde play for regularly. He left united because Brady amongst many others was miles ahead of him.

[Not Brazil]

Gorman is hardly a "boy Wonder".

I know - but he's our "hardly a boy wonder".