QuoteIf he carries on playing like this Brazil will be showing an interest.
doc, doc! Before you slip off again, any chance of answering my question here?: http://foot.ie/threads/148358-Jack-G...=1#post1815363
Cheers in advance!
If he carries on playing like this Brazil will be showing an interest.
I'm not saying we should or shouldn't read anything into it, nor am I trying to condone it or whatever, but it's not unprecedented. Rory Donnelly and Ryan McLaughlin took time out from NI. Due to their dual eligibility, this caused NI fans to worry, but they are committed to NI, as far as I know. Well, McLaughlin definitely reassured their fans anyway that he'd only been taking time out to focus on his career at Liverpool. I'm aware of those cases because they're relevant and close to home. Surely there'd be other examples of it happening around Europe?Originally Posted by DeLorean
Donnelly & McLaughlin?
As Robert De Niro said in The Deer Hunter: This is this. This ain't something else. This is this.
Players and their fathers shouldn't be dictating when they are called up and the terms of their being called up.
Come September he has to make a decision one way or other. He'll be 20 years old. He can't call himself a child anymore. Just make a decision and stick to it. He's had his year out to sign his contract and break in to the Villa team and he has done both of those things.
I don't think he should be called up to the U-21's and hold off on playing for the senior team. I think that is complete nonsense on so many different levels to be quite frank.
Furthermore, it's none of my business, but I don't agree with family members having such influence on their family members careers. It's interfering is what it is. Get a f*ing agent or represent yourself like Kevin Doyle does.
Fair enough when it's Messi's dad, Ronaldinho's brother or Anelka's brother - they want to protect their millions and they have many more intermediaries to deal with/protect their assets from - but we are talking about Jack Grealish here.
Edit: On second thought I am being a bit harsh here but it must be incredibly frustrating having to deal with one grown man in a situation like this let alone two grown men. I pity the people that have to deal with it.
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Kevin Doyle doesn't represent himself. Fathers and other family members representing players seems to be becoming more and more common, though it was always a thing. I can only assume there's some benefit to having your agent able to dedicate all their time to your career.
FIFA made a change recently about who can represent a player, previously you had to be a licensed agent, a lawyer (Roy Keane, Dave O'Leary, Niall Quinn and David Connolly were all represented by the same lawyer) or a family member. Now, a player can be represented by anyone who's authorised by the relevant FA
Ok, the NI reference was a hook to get the FAI to get their finger out.
It worked too, amazing who reads this forum!!!!!!!!!!!
SSL had already told NI 2 months before that he only wanted to play for Ireland.
So there you have it, Danno
You're going to have to clarify that why is its ok when Messi, Ronaldinho or Anelka, are represented by a family member (as they always have been - even when they were Grealish;s age) but not when it's Grealish? If Grealish is still represented by his dad when he's their age, will it be ok then?
I'm actually not sure if his dad is still his agent, he was represented by Stellar Sports Ltd when he signed his new contract with Villa
Having to butter up Messi, Ronaldinho & Anelka's parents/brothers is okay for a financial powerhouse like Barcelona, PSG or Arsenal. The financial backing of the club mixed with the talent & profile of the player, mixed with the potential money to be made by all parties makes it a necessary evil, but this situation isn't a club trying to acquisition a player and Messi, Ronaldinho & Anelka were only ever going to play/eligible for one national team. The situation as it stands, a national team trying to convince a young player that he is better served remaining with them. And no offence to Grealish but he is not up there with those players!
I think a decision like this is one that should be left to the player to make and I think any discussions should be between the player and the national team manager. I don't think any other parties are relevant to the discussion. And you have to ask what their motivations are.
An impression I got a long time ago is that Jack's parents (and brother) are too involved with his career. Almost living vicariously through him. To the extent that his older brother was posting on multiple club and national team boards. It always gave me a bad gut feeling.
I do be thinking to myself, what are you doing? I wouldn't do it myself in the same situation.
Time goes on and father is doing media interviews, hypothesizing about Jack's International future, making social media posts about Jack getting called up to an Intl. friendly, saying he'll be back with the U-21's..... almost trying to dictate and micromanage things.
Then you have journalists questioning MON & Keane and saying they should be doing this & that, should have done this & that. Making all kinds of assumptions and suggestions and I do the same thing. I just think it must be a thankless and exasperating thing for them to deal with when a Euro 2016 qualification is delicately in the balance, a contract is to be fulfilled and a reputation is to be defended.
I'm going on a tangent here. I'm gonna stop. I have to finish a report tonight.
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The flipside to all that is that the stability and support of his family - even if it does smack of basking in his reflected glory - could be one of the reasons he's able to excel at football. Seems to have worked well for Neymar.
But we don't know what this is nor what is to come of it, so whilst players "generally don't exclude themselves from internationals", I sought to highlight that it has happened before and that it hasn't always been a necessary cause for concern. But as I acknowledged, it doesn't mean we should read anything into it. Just adding some extra info into the mix. No harm.
I don't think anybody would ever suggest that anyone other than the manager should be selecting the team. For what it's worth, Kevin Grealish strikes me as an excitably overbearing parent. I agree with you on that.Players and their fathers shouldn't be dictating when they are called up and the terms of their being called up.
I think that's fair enough. He's said he wants to be back in the green come September, so let's hold him to that. (Can we assume he definitely meant he'd return to under-21s only and not senior?) If he's not prepared, at the age of 20, to accept a senior call-up in September, after a year out to mull things over, having signed his new contract and having broken into the Villa team, I think then would be time for us to forget about it and wish him all the best.Come September he has to make a decision one way or other. He'll be 20 years old. He can't call himself a child anymore. Just make a decision and stick to it. He's had his year out to sign his contract and break in to the Villa team and he has done both of those things.
I don't think he should be called up to the U-21's and hold off on playing for the senior team. I think that is complete nonsense on so many different levels to be quite frank.
I wish to keep this exchanges civil for everyone's benefit, but, without wishing to provoke accusations of harrying you, I have to point this out as it kind of encapsulates what I fundamentally struggle to understand about you; you say (seemingly without a hint of irony) that it's none of your business, but then you immediately jump in to cast judgment, as if it were completely your business... You are aware of the glaring contradiction of what you're doing there, right? If Grealish wants his da to represent him, that's his call.
So you swindled your way into the team (fair play!) and would never have played for NI had you not? What do you think those you conned at the FAI will make of reading the above message now?
Aye, pretty sure I read from one of the recent interviews that his da said they brought in a professional representative when things started getting serious quickly.
The decision is the business of whoever the player himself wishes to make it the business of surely. If he wants to involve/consult his overbearing and excitable da, so what? If the manager (who might even want to involve his assistant manager also) doesn't want to speak to the player with his da present because he finds it doubly frustrating dealing with two grown me, he's free to tell him and they can work something out or go their separate ways.
How would you know though? You've never been in that situation before and your misanthropic lack of empathy is notorious.I wouldn't do it myself in the same situation.
Keith Duggan raised a silly theory, if I'm not mistaken, in suggesting maybe Grealish was "privately smarting" over a reluctance from Martin to select him, so that's why he was being distant, or so the theory went. That was nonsense, as nothing would suggest it is remotely near the truth.Then you have journalists questioning MON & Keane and saying they should be doing this & that, should have done this & that. Making all kinds of assumptions and suggestions and I do the same thing. I just think it must be a thankless and exasperating thing for them to deal with when a Euro 2016 qualification is delicately in the balance, a contract is to be fulfilled and a reputation is to be defended.
But, hey, journalists can write what they want. They're not there to be worshiping or thanking the management team. If Martin and Roy find it all a bit thankless and exasperating from that side, maybe they're in the wrong game. If they find it all a bit thankless and exasperating from Grealish's end, they can just say "no more" and let Grealish be on his way. If the FAI are making demands of them to entertain/massage Grealish's ego, well, then it's their contractual duty and what they're getting paid plenty of money to do, so not quite "thankless". If they find it exasperating taking instructions from the FAI, they can always find something else to do with their time.
I know I have said this before somewhere on here, but if Mark Kinsella, Kwame Ampadu and Tony Scully can influence their sons to play for us, I really couldn't give a damn about their other involvement in their careers.
I think it's good his dad takes an interest in his career, we don't want him to e the next Balotelli.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
That's a terrible article.
Simply because he wasn't starting for Villa at the age of 19, he was going to play for Ireland instead of England? Pull the other one. The Liverpool game has thrust him under the limelight and the media and fans are pressurising the powers that be in the FA to call him in. Gareth Southgate and other under-age managers were well aware of Grealish prior to this.. The Aston Villa teenager was struggling to break into the first team team and therefore looked set to confirm his attention to play for the Boys in Green at senior level
How many 19 year-olds are within "the realms of England selection"? Raheem Sterling was but he had been a regular for Liverpool at that point.Before Sherwood took over at Aston Villa, Grealish was not only getting next to no game time but he was far from the realms of England selection.
When it comes to most of the players above, I don't think it's a case that we are "experts at claiming talent" as much as most/all of the above identified as being Irish.Ireland are becoming experts at claiming talents who may not have been born in the Republic. Examples include James McCLean, Marc Wilson, Darron Gibson, Aiden McGeady and James McCarthy, all of whom have had their own controversies with regards to international eligibility.
He was born in England and so were his parents. Does that make his parents strictly English? And, if he grew up dreaming of playing for England then why didn't he throw his lot in with them at a young age? I know we've seen tweets of support for England but that doesn't mean he grew up dreaming of playing for them as opposed to Ireland. Or maybe he did and tweenage Jack still managed to tell the England under-15's thanks but no thanks (which would be strange).The fact that Grealish was born in England, both his parents are English, and the fact he probably grew up dreaming of playing for England is likely to sway his decision.
Fair point, and short answer is I'm not sure, but the ambiguity does bother me.
We'll have to wait and see until September - hopefully he isn't man of the match in the cup final, the chat about him will be deafening around the Scotland game.
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Did Jack himself not say at the awards ceremony that he'd be back for the U21s in September? Recent articles added the word "hopefully". But I'm 99.9% certain it was only the 21s that was mentioned as otherwise it'd have been a much bigger story.
He says "hopefully next year ill be back playing for "(then Tony o Donoghue interruptes him before he says for who, although you would assume ireland u21s) .....
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish...reland-set-up/
But in the below in the post awards interview - he says its an honour to have the choice of been able to choose between 2 countries, but he also says hopefully next year he "will be back in the green jersey" and "hopefully in september time I will be back playing for Ireland"
http://balls.ie/football/32423-video...reland-jersey/
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It does smack of insecurity on the Irish football supporting public that after one good, high-profile performance we feel the need for Jack to come out and state the above yet again.
I guess it's like a girl accepting your proposal and, wow, now she's your fiancé and maybe you should wait a year for the wedding but she could do a runner before you get that ring on her finger. Crap.... who's that handsome b*stard flirting with your fiancé at the bar?
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