Come on DeLorean....
Okay so, I take it back. Carragher clearly went about organising a mob to break Lucas Neil's knee caps, but the deal fell through because Neil was in the company of somebody Carragher knew one day. The story wasn't at all exaggerated for the purposes of a more interesting autobiography, in fact, it was probably toned down.
Back on topic, young Grealish better hope he isn't subject to tackles like that with his shin pads, not that grown ups ones did Carra any good.
No need for the sarcasm and surliness, DeLorean. If you are going to take back something you said, be genuine about it or don't do it at all. We are all grown ups here. If you weren't compelled to find faults - even where none exist - in what I post, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
For God's sake, even SkStu thinks you took it too far this time.
I think Grealish has enough wits about him not to get his mates to commit GBH on someone because he got his legs broken playing a contact sport.
Well obviously I wasn't really taking it back. I just wanted to move on as I'm sure that will be forced upon us anyway seeing as we've drifted miles off topic. I believe what I said, agree to differ, okay so.
Yeah, identity isn't really something that can be conveniently quantified, and it certainly isn't what you could call a zero-sum situation either where identification with one badge, group or community impinges upon or negates any possibility of identification with another. Identity can be overlapping, fluid and, of course, very much subjective. I mean, if Grealish does eventually switch, it won't mean he has no sentiment for Ireland.Originally Posted by SkStu
Was he known for being nasty and getting into trouble? Not necessarily disputing what you say. I'm just not up on my Carragher private life.
The story about Neill just reads like it's been slightly dramatised to me, and there's obvious motive there for Carragher to have used poetic licence seeing as he was using the anecdote to promote his autobiography in the Daily Mirror. I would guess something like this is closer to the truth; he would have felt bitterness towards Neill, naturally, and had perhaps discussed with his friends how he deplored the tackle, probably even cursing Neill. He then gets a call from his mates one day to say they've seen Neill and Thomson in the Trafford Centre and they jokingly ask if Carragher wants them to beat Neill up. Carragher probably laughs it off and says "no". It's just too implausible for me to believe that Carragher would be stupid enough to write something like that if it was a completely serious account of an incident that had actually happened as it not only gives a very unsavoury impression, but it's teetering on the criminal. The Trafford Centre is an exceptionally busy shopping centre with CCTV everywhere; you'd have to be an absolute idiot to beat someone up in there if you were hoping to get away with it. If Carragher had actually wanted Neill hit, I'm sure he could very easily have found out Neill's address or regular whereabouts from his friends at Blackburn.
Last bit on Carragher (sorry for dragging us off topic). The story being referenced is the one that doesn't read well to me irrespective of what spin he is putting on it. However, there has been for a few years on the Everton forums talk of Carragher around town but mostly the friends he has away from the game moreso than anything he has done per se. He grew up in a rough part of town and his friends are an assortment of thieves and dealers if rumours are to be believed - granted this is Liverpool we are talking about. Doesn't mean Carragher is a dealer or thief but there is a level of guilt by association or acquiescence...
Anyway, not worth this being a big deal. Hes a bit of a scally. Hes not the only scally in the world.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
I'm not going to try and convince people that someone saying they called off a gang assault on somebody means that someone called off a gang assault on somebody - suffice to say that the words were spoken/dictated from Carragher himself and his book wasn't in the fiction section. It is what it is at this stage...
Just to add on to what SkStu said, the same rumors that surround Carragher have always surrounded Gerrard too. It's common knowledge. And Carragher is renowned for his tempestuousness, forthrightness and (lack of) intelligence.
I find it hard to believe that Carragher wasn't retrospectively punished for this considering how Roy Keane was hauled over the coals for the Haaland comments.
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I have only heard good things about Jamie. He's meant to be very decent and good with the fans. I met Gerrard in a Glasgow pub before a Celtic match years ago with a load of Gerrard's mates from Huyton and found them really sound. They were singing all the Celtic songs and took the banter off this mad Everton fan from Derry in the pub. Gerrard was laughing his head off at the songs your man was singing.
an Everton supporting mate from Limerick met Jamie after he retired from playing with England in Liverpool and Jamie turned to him and said "**** it la (Scouse) it's only England, who gives a ****"!! He said he was a good man who didn't take himself too seriously. This fella is Everton mad, so he wouldn't praise a Liverpool player unnecessarily!!!!
Irish face, English hair.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/spor...ingham-9109760
So which is it, rumours or common knowledge? Is it rumoured to be common knowledge or is it common knowledge that there are rumours?
Yeah TOWK - which is it?
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
17 months before he turns 21.
Wonder how many posts this thread will have clock up by then?
30 a day for 510 day could be over 3000.
Hot off the presses!
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...-31170206.html
Vic Hogan article on the Grealish situation.
Wow, that's some serious hysterical armchair managing in that article. I mean, I know we're all a little excited about Grealish's performance at Wembley but when Martin O'Neill had the chat with the family and said that Jack would be taking time to focus on his club career or consider his options or whatever, I took that to mean that his final decision would likely not be made until after this season and I don't think his performance last Sunday changes that - it probably is just too close to the Scotland game for him to be considered. It just confirms that Grealish is a step closer to becoming a top player, which is great. But I don't think there's any need for Martin O'Neill to start playing what amounts to mind games by trying to "force Grealish's hand". He had the talk with the family, the lad knows that we're pretty much ready to promote him to the senior squad (the September game against Gibraltar is likely the most realistic first opportunity, unless some summer friendlies are organised late), so the ball is in his court and he'll either stay with us or switch to England and there aren't any machinations that will change that. Although perhaps we could show him some videos to show why he might stick with Ireland:
- The time of our lives ("The Nation holds its breath"):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v24UKqJIKm8
- "Look at these scenes, just look at these scenes":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIexE4B1GHY
- And if that doesn't work, how about kicks of another kind?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0v_pu6miJ8
Exactly, Hogan has the patience and composure of a six year old waiting to open their Christmas presents. People seriously need to relax. If Grealish is just waiting for England to come along, which Hogan seems to assume, then what good would it do to force his hand at this early stage by going against Grealish's request in utter panic mode? He obviously wouldn't accept the call up as it will have gone against the original deal, and the obvious and actually relevant excuse will be that he still needs to focus on Aston Villa, which is actually far more believable now than it was when he originally said it. There's just no way that Grealish would bring that kind of controversy on himself with Villa fighting relegation and preparing for a cup final. Sherwood, who has given some fair, sensible advise recently (publicly at least), would freak as well which wouldn't help our cause long term. I think it's fair game to call him up in September though but there's no need to come across all desperate and panicy just yet. Thankfully MON has more sense than that.
Ah now... when did we become this precious?
And more pleasing to DeLorean's eyes.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/side...land-1.2188251
It was all downhill after he got Johnny Marr's surname wrong. There's also a ham-fisted metaphor about Liam & Noel Gallagher (both England fans) and their encyclopedic knowledge of Irish sweets.
"Maybe Grealish is privately smarting that he hasn’t yet had a full senior call-up, and if he does end up wearing an England shirt in two years’ time, then O’Neill and Roy Keane will have to live with the accusations that they allowed the real thing to walk away".
Poor Martin & Roy. They will have to live with the fact that Grealish didn't accept senior call ups for the Oman & USA games and they'll have to live with the fact that Grealish wasn't getting in touch with them to know where he/they stood.
How will they live with themselves.
I thought Noel Gallagher supported Ireland?
he does, as far as I remember he even said he'd write a song for the team if they qualified for a tournament.
<EDIT>
He did too, but it was a lot further back than I thought: http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/oth...ong-26195.html
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I remember seeing pictures of them in England and Manchester City kits in my older brothers' music magazines back in the day. I also remember at least one of them doing guest punditry before an Intl. tournament England match. That is where I picked up the association.
According to this interview - http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/...-youre-winning - Noel does follow England, but he's an Ireland fan ahead of them
“I do follow England because they have some good players,” Noel allows, “but when push comes to shove I’m in the Ireland end. I’ve always supported Ireland since I was a kid. Oasis were asked to do the England song and go on at Wembley – my uncles would have killed me. I don’t really like football songs – I could write a tune but football lyrics are always a bit daft.”
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