If it's only to make up the numbers does it matter?Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Grealish doesn't solve any problems at centre mid. Even with three to be selected, I'd have thought Gibson, McCarthy, Meyler, Quinn and Wilson (at a push) would cover us. Wouldn't surprise me if Paul Green was the one called up to shore up the numbers. Maybe an opportunity to have a look at someone like Harry Arter or Shaun Williams, particularly with the US game a few days later.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Yes it's like the squad has been hit by a Hourihane
I think we're just having a speculative discussion about one of our players; nobody's "spanking their monkeys" or getting desperate. If he were to declare for England, that's his call; he's welcome to it. Most here would wish him the best and would be content enough with their own lives so as for that not to arouse an extreme sense of bitterness within them. What the hell does a 19-year-old young fella owe us? For what it's worth, it doesn't look like he'll be switching to England.
Jack Grealish doesn't pick and choose his games; it's Martin O'Neill/Noel King who pick(s) and choose(s) his games. His father said he wouldn't be ready for Scotland, and Roy Keane had seemingly agreed with him on this point in advance, so perhaps there were discussions followed by an accord with our management with regard to what Jack might and might not be ready for. What do you make of the empathetic O'Neill here considering the way he has dealt with this sensitive situation? Or should that be the pathetic O'Neill?...
Last edited by tetsujin1979; 26/10/2014 at 3:07 PM.
Tets, give this fella a ban.
Last edited by tetsujin1979; 26/10/2014 at 3:08 PM.
Stop being so juvenile Doc, it's tiresome.
We can all like/dislike different players & thats fine. Don't know why JG rubs you the wrong way but your comments about JG come across as personal.
Picking holes in his game(he's a kid, cut him some slack[your beloved SSL ain't perfect either]), he may play for IRE/ENG thats his choice(assuming he is good enough). Your as biased in your critique of JG as you are in your praise of SSL.
Don't think name calling is appropriate either.
Get over yourself, doc. What on earth are you talking about? I've not accused anyone of anything. If I've made "unsubstantiated comments", point them out to me and I'll provide evidential grounds for my position. Bitter confrontation appears to energise you; I don't know how you do it! I can sense you feel victimised, but, whether your sense of victimhood is valid or not, it has nothing to do with me. Why try and deflect your bitterness (and you do possess that in extraordinary reserve) on to me just because you've suffered punitive consequences as a result of your own brashness?
Last edited by tetsujin1979; 26/10/2014 at 3:13 PM.
Sarcasm Danny,...sarcasm.
Doc on a week's suspension for repeated infractions, and personal abuse.
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For the record, I'm willing to allow some posts without proof as long as it's a reasonable assumption, or deduction, from public knowledge.
However, in this thread, given its nature, I'm going to insist on all allegations to be backed up with quotes or published articles
Hehe, but he did seem to possess some sense of grievance, as if I was getting away with something he wasn't.
For the record, my point about Roy Keane being in possible agreement with Kevin Grealish was based on the words of Kevin Grealish himself: "Yeah definitely, [Jack] hasn't even played a full game in a Premier League. As Roy Keane said, let him play in the Premier League first and see what he is made of." And we also know that Martin has had direct communication with the Grealish's as well in recent weeks.
It should be up to the manager if he is called up for the Scotland game. If he isn't ready to play against Scotland he isn't ready to play against USA. Frankly, he hasn't done enough to warrant a senior call up anyway. The reason he's getting one (USA) and not the other (Scotland) is because he is not ready to commit himself, not because he doesn't think (layman's terms) he isn't ready to play Intl. Football. What was stopping Brian Lenihan? I am not judging him and he's ours to lose but let's not hatch our chickens. I would respect him a lot more if he would not pass the buck to Roy Keane, like in this circumstance.
Agree with the first bit and by extension disagree with the second bit. If MON feels that playing against the US would be of some benefit, but thinks (agrees) a game as big as the Scottish one is too early for him, then surely that's his prerogative also. Pairing the two games off as the same thing is nonsensical, they're worlds apart. Fair enough if you feel he doesn't warrant a call up but that's MON's call, as you pointed out in the first place.
Last edited by DeLorean; 28/10/2014 at 11:08 AM.
The issue is that he is not ready to commit to a competitive game. Once he is ready to commit to England or Ireland - and he is free to take his time on this - then he should be called up for senior Intl. football. What is the point in calling up a player for a friendly if he may not ever play in a meaningful game?
Fair enough if people think the reason he doesn't want to be considered for Scotland is honestly because he doesn't think he's ready for a game of that caliber, a pretty unusual stance or perspective for a professional footballer to take.
In any road, I am not even sure he is worthy of an Intl. call up of any description when he isn't getting on the Villa bench. There are several more experienced players that could be given a chance and who are available for the Scotland game too.
And people may scoff at that notion but the lad Krzysztof Mączyński who scored for Poland against Scotland only made his debut in 2013 and is playing in China.
Sometimes you just need to give players chances, even if at first glance Millwall and Bournemouth aren't glamorous clubs, and names like Williams, O'Kane and Arter don't carry any cachet.
Last edited by TheOneWhoKnocks; 28/10/2014 at 11:56 AM.
The issue for who? I think accepting a call up for the US game would be a clear indication of his intentions. There are various reasons why the US game would be a good, low key starting point for him. It's not necessarily the black and white long term commitment issue you're making it out to be.
I'm not making it out to be a black and white issue. There was still a chance he would declare for Ireland when he turned down call ups in September and there is still a chance he will declare for England after making himself available for selection for the U.S.A. game.
I hope he fulfills his talent and plays for Ireland but my chickens aren't hatching just yet.
You're going to have to clarify that - what call up was turned down by Grealish?
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sorry, u21 call up, forgot about that.
Wrt Lambert's point about defence being the issue rather than in attack, they have scored only four goals all season FFS!
I thought Clark was ok last night and was even more of a goal threat than their own forwards. That Sanchez bloke passed the ball straight to a QPR guys feet for the second goal, having got away with an equally rubbish pass only a minute earlier. If it was cricket I'd be investigating spot fixing.
I thought Clark was blameless for both goals. In the Dunne thread it's said he might have been tighter for the first goal but he nearly blocked it and the shot was perfect, like Matt Holland in Niigata, starting the ball outside the post and drawing it back in. For the second Clark held his position to prevent a cut back to Hoylett(?) who was attacking the penalty box. Clark was careless in possession once or twice but was usually looking to use the ball positively and I don't think Cleverley and co helped him much by showing short as often as they could have.
Well that too, but I was referring to the senior series of games, when he told management he didn't want to be selected yet.
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