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    I don't feel I should have to qualify my opinion, but I'll do so anyway. What we badly need now are legitimate options. The great thing, and I've probably not said this before, is that with the current management system we're not going to be picking up spoofers. I'm not saying it's happened in the past, but a player I'd have been happy not to declare has been Anthony Pilkington. The boy just never looks bothered. ANd personally I don't think he gives us anything, not even depth.

    Depth, and quality has always been our issue. Quality you can work around with a decent system. Depth you cannot. Everyone, and I mean that, should look at the recent game against Germany to show that Paul McShane, proud and rightly so born and bred Irishman, is just not good enough, under any circumstances for the national team squad. MON decided to play a midfielder with 180 mins experience at right back rather than Paul McShane. There is enough common sense within the ranks of the FAI's tech development bureau to target the areas we're weak in at senior level, and then filtering this down the grades - no different to the front row in rugby - so that players can develop specifically for a position, and God forbid, can make career choices as they go along.

    You could say at the moment we've a core of about 40 that you can say we could reasonably call upon. I have taken huge liberties (lenihan/Sheridan) I will include players I personally don't rate. It's weak reading. I've put in bold the players who if possible I feel we should be improving on (and I included Robbie in this, purely because we need to find someone to take up his mantle soon, not because I don't rate him.)

    Forde Westwood Randolph Elliot Henderson Given (6)
    Coleman Ward OShea Wilson Pearce Keogh Clark Delaney St Ledger Duffy Lenihan McShane Kelly (13)
    McGeady Brady McClean Pilkington McCarthy Whelan Gibson Hendrick Meyler Hoolahan Quinn Walters Reid Green (14)
    Keane Long Stokes Doyle Sheridan Murphy (6)

    Now, I reckon there are others around the Championship, League 1 and possibly the LOI who all could rightfully say that they could hold their own in the above list of players. Derrick Williams is a player who could develop into a fine defender, and he's at a club that could well be riding high in the Championship next season in Bristol City. There's plenty of the under 19 team that went far three years ago that if they get a bit of luck can eck out a decent career for themselves.

    If Bamford, Kane, Christie and McGoldrick all declared for us, and Grealish remained with us, it would be seismic. It would make a huge improvement to the squad. It would mean the core getting stronger and wider, and maybe even open some other options with formations etc.

    In a way, you kind of have to admire Northern Ireland in the past decade. They've smaller resources and numbers than us, the players coming through that are decent that we can plunder, we've done so, yet when they have to turn to a solid (if unspectacular) player from the bowels of League 1 or 2 then they do it. and if it doesn't work out, they pick a youngster from the 19's who might only be getting reserve football and they test him out.
    I'm sure it was mentioned last week on this site, about picking kids that the underage coaches know is good, but for one reason or another the club career has stalled or whatever. I kind of wish we would either utilise some of our friendlies for those purposes, or pick a year of B Internationals and use them for that purpose.

    Finally to get this post somewhere back on track, I pray to God Grealish stays with Ireland, because I think he could have a fantastic career with us, but I'm not so sure England will get the best from his talents. I reckon he'll be in Europe by his mid-20's. I would see a lot of Steve McManaman in him
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    He's playing this scenario well. I suspect he knows more than he is letting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks View Post
    I don't think Bamford and Kane will declare because we beat Georgia and Gibraltar. And I don't think Noble and Naughton are going to change the habit of a lifetime.

    Not that we are doing too badly without them. Who the hell would want Gibson, Meyler or Hendrick shunted by these guys after some of their recent performances for us?
    Neither Kane nor Bamford would take the place of any one of Gibson, Meyler or Hendrick
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    Neither Kane nor Bamford would take the place of any one of Gibson, Meyler or Hendrick
    I was talking more about Noble coming in for Gibson or Hendrick or Naughton coming in in Meyler's place.

    Personally, I think Kane and Bamford could be coups if they declared but they don't have any interest so they are null and void.

    At least McGoldrick sounds enthusiastic.

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    Was trying to think about the sort of reception that Jack Grealish would receive should he make his bow against the USA. I don't doubt it would be reminiscent of James McClean's reception. That made the hair stand on the neck. Circumstances were slightly different but McClean showed such determination to represent us that the footballing public welcomed him with open arms (his club career was very positive at the time also).

    I was just about to post the above but I remembered I should insert a caveat before my post would be gobbled up by someone quick to point out Jack's recent hesitance. Maybe hesitance did exist but the most critical club decision of his young career also existed at the same time. Add to this pressure from the football association in the country he was born in. The kid deserves some slack.

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    I think Noble is overrated myself anyway, and I'd take Gibson, Whelan and McCarthy over him without any hesitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    Was trying to think about the sort of reception that Jack Grealish would receive should he make his bow against the USA. I don't doubt it would be reminiscent of James McClean's reception. That made the hair stand on the neck. Circumstances were slightly different but McClean showed such determination to represent us that the footballing public welcomed him with open arms (his club career was very positive at the time also).

    I was just about to post the above but I remembered I should insert a caveat before my post would be gobbled up by someone quick to point out Jack's recent hesitance. Maybe hesitance did exist but the most critical club decision of his young career also existed at the same time. Add to this pressure from the football association in the country he was born in. The kid deserves some slack.
    I agree, it'd be a rapturous welcome I reckon. Agree with other point too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post
    I think Noble is overrated myself anyway, and I'd take Gibson, Whelan and McCarthy over him without any hesitation.
    PL player, yes. A huge upgrade on the current options? I don't think so. Imagine if he knocked Quinn down the pecking order. I'm not that receptive to that populist cr*p that can be spouted like 'he's taking the jersey of someone else', but I admire Quinn's resolve and persistence to become a Premier League and international footballer when he was in L1 not too long ago.

    I know you're a Whelan fan Kingdom and I think it's debatable whether he'd offer more than Whelan but they play two different roles. Is he more comparable to McCarthy and Gibson? Yes. Is he better than either of them? No, I don't think so. Definitely not McCarthy and I think Gibson would offer more at the base of a two or 3 man midfield when up to speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    Was trying to think about the sort of reception that Jack Grealish would receive should he make his bow against the USA. I don't doubt it would be reminiscent of James McClean's reception. That made the hair stand on the neck.
    I thought that was a bit embarrassing. You'd have thought Messi was coming on.

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    Grealish left out of the Villa squad today. What does that say about his international intentions?

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    There's lots to read into it.

    TOWK should be able to refine it for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    PL player, yes. A huge upgrade on the current options? I don't think so. Imagine if he knocked Quinn down the pecking order. I'm not that receptive to that populist cr*p that can be spouted like 'he's taking the jersey of someone else', but I admire Quinn's resolve and persistence to become a Premier League and international footballer when he was in L1 not too long ago.

    I know you're a Whelan fan Kingdom and I think it's debatable whether he'd offer more than Whelan but they play two different roles. Is he more comparable to McCarthy and Gibson? Yes. Is he better than either of them? No, I don't think so. Definitely not McCarthy and I think Gibson would offer more at the base of a two or 3 man midfield when up to speed.
    Spot on, he doesn't compete with Whelan, and in theory he doesn't compete with Mac either. I really like Gibson, who we must remember isn't a child anymore, and still hasn't forged any proper career for himself.

    Quinn is a strange type of player. He doesn't really appear to ever do much more than keep play going, but that's the type of quality lacking in a lot of British based players, and he is obviously very determined. I like him, and would never mind having to fall back onto him.
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    I think Quinn does more than that. He's a busy player who puts tackles in and no mean crosser of the ball too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    I think Quinn does more than that. He's a busy player who puts tackles in and no mean crosser of the ball too.
    This is why my posts are so long! To me, in comparison to most of the central midfielders, Quinn is not a particularly tough tackler. I'd class him very similar to Mark Kinsella, or Matt Holland, probably more the latter, in other words an excellent foil. He is more an effective closer of space I'd say. I wouldn't mind seeing him in a more withdrawn role in a friendly for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fly View Post
    I thought that was a bit embarrassing. You'd have thought Messi was coming on.
    When did we last produce a Messi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton View Post
    But that's nonsense and not how this type of journalism works, except in ridiculous movies.

    It's not his job to sell newspapers, it's his job to sell content. That content ideally will help newspapers, but if it's patently bogus then his career is over - totally ruined. An editor won't let the threat of Grealish or his family having nothing to do with the paper again just to sell a couple more units.

    In this instance, that fact Fallon works across multiple publications is literally a force multiplier. If it was one guy tipping off the Irish Daily Star, then maybe - maybe - they would run that story. But there's no way a go-to sports freelancer for numerous outlets is going to risk doing it.
    Not sure it quite works like that, the newspapers are a bit of a cartel, plenty of other papers printed the story, surprisingly the Daily Mail doesn't seem
    to be one of them, perhaps it was not as good as their other made up stories.

    It does not matter whether they speak to the paper or not anyway, Fallon is only a phone call away and
    will be happy to provide one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricky_colour View Post
    Not sure it quite works like that, the newspapers are a bit of a cartel, plenty of other papers printed the story, surprisingly the Daily Mail doesn't seem
    to be one of them, perhaps it was not as good as their other made up stories.

    It does not matter whether they speak to the paper or not anyway, Fallon is only a phone call away and
    will be happy to provide one.
    No. That's a potential libel. That's a couple of careers ruined and a paper risking it all for, what , 100 copies extra sold, if that? You'd be surprised how sensitive editors are to possible legal action caused by fabrication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olé Olé View Post
    When did we last produce a Messi?
    Never. What's your point?

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