All this hysteria for an 18 year old with 23 minutes of Premiership football under his belt and who hardly pulled up trees in League 1 last year for a struggling Notts County team. I could understand it if he had a dozen games at the top level and a couple of goals but 23 minutes? Comical.
It's what everybody has been saying. We all know he's been keeping his options open because he hasn't made a final decision yet. That's not the reason people get annoyed with you at all.Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Anybody watching Notts County could tell you he did pull up trees once he became used to the physical side of the game and by the end had become their most important player. He's been tipped for big things for years because of his potential, and now he's overcome the obstacle most promising young players fall at, translating their talent at boy's level to men's football.
Last edited by Charlie Darwin; 24/08/2014 at 10:12 PM.
Jesus - im cringing with embarassment at some of those "declare for Ireland" twitter msgs sent to jack
"#betterthanGlenwhelan" --- jesus i never realised Jack could do a job in Glens role!!!!....sweet mother of god!
The last thing the lad needs is nonsense like this to be thrown at him - he is a kid - he needs to be left alone
Tbh Tets - i agree - his dad says nothing more than what the general reports were saying during the week on the o'neill / grealish meeting - the guy has options - he needs to take a step back and decide because he is about to begin what is hopefully for him a long succesful professional career.....nothing reported we all didnt know already
He did state the following:
Whilst possibly somewhat ambiguous and, admittedly, not entirely committal, he has certainly stated that we are (or at least were) in his future plans.
I'm not sure 23 minutes in 2 substitute appearances is proof of him fulfilling any great talent. Nor is a few appearances for a very poor League 1 team.
From what I've heard he wasn't Notts County's best player by any stretch. He showed glimpses of talent but struggled to impose himself on games.
Personally I'd wait until he has at least half a season of regular first team Premiership appearances before I'd even start to consider that he might become a player.
I didn't say anything about his appearances for Aston Villa. I said he had overcome the obstacle that the majority of youth footballers never overcome, the transition from playing amongst his peers to playing senior men's professional football, which he did at Notts County to such a extent that he's now on the fringes of a Premier League team.
If you heard he wasn't one of their best players then you haven't been listening to the right people. For example:
Leigh Curtis, a football journalist with the Nottingham Post, recently kicked off a column with the introduction: “As much as it has been delightful to watch Jack Grealish’s undeniable brilliance there have been times we have done so through splayed fingers.
“The winger’s Houdini-like ability to escape impossible situations has tortured many defenders in recent weeks and their only way to stop him has been through nefarious means.
“There is growing concern, however, that he is being deliberately targeted and it would be a very hard case to argue against given recent evidence.”
I can find plenty more examples if you need them.
You might need to see half a season of Premier League performances to think he might become a player, but there are plenty of people who watch enough football at a lower level to be able to spot talent and potential - it's what the best scouts are paid to do - and it's pretty clear he has the potential to be a brilliant player and so far he's on schedule to deliver on his talent.
A very worrying line from his father in that article, for me, is the following:
Lest people think I'm referring to Kevin Grealish's persistence use of the very English word 'bloke', I'm rather referring to the fact that he believes MO'N 'has got limitations to work with.' Basically, I'd construe that as him doubting the our current squad is up to much. I guess, when his son is getting so much attention from MO'N and, apparently, not a sausage from Roy Hodgson then this perception is understandable (and some would deem it a reality).I had a smashing conversation with Martin and he is a top bloke. I know he has got limitations to work with but he is the right bloke for the job.
Clearly, they are considering the England option. They're within their rights to do so. He might, ultimately, plump for Ireland. We'll see.
After seeing Michael Keane perform quite well today, I'd hate to see another prospect slip through our fingers.
The sort of drivel you see on here a lot. You pick out a single opinion and that in some way validates your statement that he had become their most important player. Read the fans opinions, the people who actually watched him. I don't think many seem to agree with your claim that he was their most important player but I'm sure you know best:
http://prideofnottingham.co.uk/commu...and-in-or-out/
On schedule to deliver talent based on what metrics? Stokes, Garvan and Sean Thornton had all achieved more than him at his age and not one turned out to be a world beater. It's like groundhog day on here. Young Irish player gets into a Premiership squad, makes a couple of substitute appearances and the next thing you know he's going to be the next Ronaldo. Said player ends up in an average Championship team, new player appears on the horizon, repeat ad infinitum. Yawn.
By all accounts, the beginning and end of his spell with Notts County was marked by patchy form. He did have a run of good form, as was referenced in the article - and did emerge with a few moments of magic - courtesy of comedy defending. It's League One at the end of the day.
TBH, I share youngirish exasperation. There were people clamoring for a call-up in the immediate aftermath of his stoppage time cameo against Man City last season. Seriously.
There are plenty of other young English players rated a lot higher than Jack Grealish that made a bigger impression at a higher level before settling into mediocrity. I think, in our desperation, we are all a little guilty of over-hyping him due to the aforementioned lack of talent that Kevin politely referred to in his interview.
Personally, I don't know why he is in the U-21 national team. Give his place in the squad to someone who is committed. I don't think there is anything to lose. If he is good enough to play for England he's good enough. If he isn't good enough we will get him. Either way we are in for at least another year of ambiguity.
I said I could provide more examples if you needed them. I think it's a matter of basic courtesy that you should ask me for them before accusing me of being selective. And really? You bang on about me being selective and then you cite the opinions of two (TWO!) fans that are very complimentary and rank him as one of the top five and top two players of the season respectively. I'd say that's pretty solid evidence that those two (TWO!) fans thought he was up there as one of their top performers.
Eh, those players were on course to deliver on their talent too. I never said Grealish will be a great player, I said he looks on course to deliver on his potential, but he very easily might not. Nobody said he was a world beater and nobody said he was going to be the next Ronaldo. We just said he has the makings of a big player, which he does, and I'd thank you to stop inventing arguments and actually deal with what people have actually said for a change.On schedule to deliver talent based on what metrics? Stokes, Garvan and Sean Thornton had all achieved more than him at his age and not one turned out to be a world beater. It's like groundhog day on here. Young Irish player gets into a Premiership squad, makes a couple of substitute appearances and the next thing you know he's going to be the next Ronaldo. Said player ends up in an average Championship team, new player appears on the horizon, repeat ad infinitum. Yawn.
He's hanging in there for England,
I've no time for players who can't decide on which county to declare for.
Follow your heart, that's what I'd do, Ireland all the way and proud.
What you would do, Sean, or what you did do?
At the end of his loan spell, he was nominated for the Player of the Month award for League One in April - http://www.football-league.co.uk/lea...293324_3797081 - so I don't know where this accusation of "patchy form" comes from
Patchy or sporadic. Maybe poor choice of words or confusing on my part but I remember he did have a considerable amount of mediocre games in Spring time.
Ronan Murray and Alan Sheehan were a couple of Notts County's star players during their relegation escape. Perhaps we should call them up too?
TOWK you 're loving this as you seem to feel it gives credence to some of your comments. The fact that you now make this comparison shows your knowledge of football and nationality is somewhat limited.
Grealish is a potential star and would be great for us. Tets and Charlie are making sense on here, I think many on here would do well to listen to them.
On the fact that he has only 23 minutes EPL experience, Jim Beglin, Steve Staunton and Michael Owens are examples of players who played internationally with little or no first team experience. Failures the lot of them! MONROY know what they are doing and if they say Grealish is ready, he must be!
Last edited by gastric; 25/08/2014 at 3:52 AM.
Nah, you're too old...
And the US...
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