Dream appointment

**jbyrne** · 08/03/2011, 1:33 PM

why would mick want to come back after the savage abuse he got from the Irish crowd v switzerland in 2002?
and this abuse came a few months after we narowly missed out on the wc 1/4 with him in charge. we dont deserve him back

**Stuttgart88** · 08/03/2011, 2:10 PM

Back to Venn diagrams again:

One circle represents Man United fans
One represents Cork folk (or even non-Dubs)
One represents traditional Fianna Fail voters
One represents the vocal "anti-Mick" camp post-Saipan

Would there be much overlap?

**geysir** · 08/03/2011, 2:21 PM

I don't think I could handle the last 5 minutes with Mick in charge.
Every manager has baggage, any amount is tolerated as long as the results come.
Tardelli would come with different issues.
Busby had issues, Ferguson has issues, Wenger is perfect though.

**Jicked** · 08/03/2011, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

It helps he's about a billion times more likable too. Also I think McCarthy's teams, in general, play a better game than the muck Megson usually serves up.

Agree on the Megson's football point, just picked him randomly as a journeyman yo-yo manager that Mick also is. Seems mad that how likable a manager is should influence who gets a job, but we all know it does. And how likeable a manager is boils down to how the press represent him nine times out of ten. And then consider the fact how p**sed off the press are with Trap for making their jobs so difficult at press conferences, making them look silly by going back on "hints" he gives them about team selection etc....

**Sullivinho** · 08/03/2011, 2:32 PM

I have a lot of time for Mick, respect the proverbial hell out of him actually, but I wouldn't consider him a dream appointment at this stage. Nor do I think it'd actually happen tbh.

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Back to Venn diagrams again:

One circle represents Man United fans
One represents Cork folk (or even non-Dubs)
One represents traditional Fianna Fail voters
One represents the vocal "anti-Mick" camp post-Saipan

Would there be much overlap?

That intersection would be some l@nger zone!

**Stuttgart88** · 08/03/2011, 2:34 PM

Could Mick be more than a "journeyman yo-yo manager" with a transfer budget? Anyone know what Wolves' wage bill is compared to the other clubs in the bottom 10 in the EPL?

**Jicked** · 08/03/2011, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Could Mick be more than a "journeyman yo-yo manager" with a transfer budget? Anyone know what Wolves' wage bill is compared to the other clubs in the bottom 10 in the EPL?

Personally, I wouldn't have thought so.

EDIT - erm, that Mick would be more than a bit of a journeyman that is, not sure about the budget situation

**Paddy Garcia** · 08/03/2011, 7:50 PM

Originally Posted by Supreme feet

... and the only real difference is central midfield.

In the beautiful game, matches are won and lost by the forwards and the margin is determined by the backs.

In our game matches are won and lost by the central midfieders.

That is why Mick qualified and the current bunch are still waiting to board a flight.

**The Fly** · 01/04/2011, 4:26 PM

Giovanni Trappatoni looking at payback for Ireland and Italy at Brazil 2014

**paul_oshea** · 01/04/2011, 4:43 PM

Welcome back teh fly, is it a flying visit again?

Mick is a "cup" manager supreme feet hence why he is good at motivating for the big games. Thats why he gets Wolves beating the big teams and playing well, but cant beat the small teams. Thats why he got the big win games for Ireland too....

**The Fly** · 01/04/2011, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Welcome back teh fly, is it a flying visit again?

I've just been quite busy lately, but I'll be back posting more regularly in a week or two.

**paul_oshea** · 01/04/2011, 5:02 PM

Good to hear, it will fly by for sure.

**Jicked** · 01/04/2011, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Welcome back teh fly, is it a flying visit again?

Mick is a "cup" manager supreme feet hence why he is good at motivating for the big games. Thats why he gets Wolves beating the big teams and playing well, but cant beat the small teams. Thats why he got the big win games for Ireland too....

Netherlands at home. Were there many more in his six years? There was plenty of dropped points in places like Macedonia when he wasn't able to "motivate" the players for small games.

**Stuttgart88** · 01/04/2011, 8:20 PM

How many points did we get in that campaign? Wasn't it 24? That's a lot of cup finals.

**Duggie** · 01/04/2011, 9:22 PM

i dont know about tardelli, we might miss trap strict regime when he is gone. trap is a legend but tardelli hasnt ever cut it at the highest level of management, i dont know if he would bring us forward. maybe im mad but i wouldnt mind seeing dave o'leary getting a go at the job?

**Duggie** · 01/04/2011, 9:26 PM

actaually just seen he was sacked from his club in UAE or wherever it is, must read more into it......................

**TrapAPony** · 01/04/2011, 10:12 PM

Roberto Martinez.....

**BonnieShels** · 01/04/2011, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

It's been a gaping hole for about 7 years. We've been spoilt down the years with Giles, Brady, Keane, McGrath and others. Full back, especially left back, is a weak area too, but I think our forwards, wide players, first choice keepers, and centre-backs would be good enough to be competitive against most good teams if only we had a genuinlely top-class CM.

Fupp me, when you think about that CM lineage like that it's rather incredible! They really don't make them like they used to.

I think Mick could do a great job, although 1 goal leads appraoching 90 minutes could be too much for the heart.

It's not just with Mick that 1-0 leads in 90' are difficult to handle.
Let's not forget Kerr's macedonia against Israel.

As regards some of the talk of revisionism about Mick I think a lot of it has got to do with how things have gone since.
WC2002 started awfully as we all know. Now from that moment on who actually thought that we would perform the way we did in the end?

Holland's goal against Cameroon was a cracker. Keane's impossible angle goal against ze Germans. Mick's eyes incredulously popping out of his head. Breens goal against the Saudi's. Duff's celebration. The 2 penalties in the dying moment's against Spain. Ian Harte's miss. All in all when we take everything into consideration that was a great World Cup for us.
Mick should've left straight afterwards. It was this decision which sullied his memory initially as it seemed to vindicate Keane's position.

Since then he has consistenly gotten clubs promoted to the Premiership. Keeping them there has been the problem. If Wolves stay up this year, and I hope they do Mick's reputation will be safe.

For what it's worth, Tardelli or Coyle would be my next man in charge. But eh, let's worry about that when we lift the Coupe in Warsaw. Allez les Verts!

**Uncle_Joe** · 01/04/2011, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jicked

Netherlands at home. Were there many more in his six years? There was plenty of dropped points in places like Macedonia when he wasn't able to "motivate" the players for small games.

Also beat Croatia and Yugolavia at home, but after that not many more. but then again with qualifiers you only get maybe one chance a year for a big win. I like MM and wouldnt mind him coming back but I do remember that for every Holland there was also an away performance to Croatia just around the corner

**Razors left peg** · 02/04/2011, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by irishultra

scenario: wolves get relegated from prem...mick mccarthhy feels he should take a break from management after managing wolves for the best part of 6 years. roll on november and ireland lose in a playoff and fail 2 qualify for poland/ukraine. traps contract is over and 2 weeks later mick mccarthy is appointed inheriting the most promising irish squad in many years. i can envision him on the touchline in the maracana already

So your dream is for Ireland to fail so we can appoint a failed premiership manager... genius!