Club Finances

**pineapple stu** · 01/03/2011, 8:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jofspring

So who are the possible 11 clubs that made a profit?

Possible:
UCD?

We made a decent loss last year AFAIK; the college turned around after the season started and said we wouldn't be getting what they said we'd be getting. So this year, we've to make that back twice (once for this year's cut, once for last year's cut), which is why we've no money.

**pineapple stu** · 01/03/2011, 8:51 AM

Also, can Sligo fans in particular (far from all of them, it must be said) actually argue points like mentally capable people and give the crap like "He's normally sniffing the a*se of his buddies", "You're coming across as very bitter, jealous and childish" and "Oh and a zoomer means your to be an overall f-ing arsehole" a rest? Attack the posts, not the poster or the thread will be locked.

**Rasputin** · 01/03/2011, 8:57 AM

Originally Posted by HulaHoop

He didn't, he left the bit out about raffle tickets. As long as Sligo continue to use raffle tickets as match tickets,

Yes we didnt have tickets for yee, jesus christ boo hoo.
Would you count that as evidence of our financial instability?

have no turnstiles at the away end,

Thats not the away end, its the entrance for the car park.
The reason yee were put through that end (and nobody else) is because your fans cannot be trusted to be put through the away turnstyle because of your long and distinguished history of handbag hooliganism.
Who knows maybe there could of been a "mob" of teenage girls the danny dyer wannabes could get pwapa nawty with or maybe some Africans might have the misfortune of crossing paths with your oh so racially tolerant lot.

routinely under report attendances (deny all you like Sligo fans but most of you admitted here the day after the game there was way more in attendance at the LC semi than was officially announced),

The only game im aware of that was done was the Shams LC semi.
Every other game it was within the margin of error.
Anyways as Red4Eva has pointed out the whole hysterical hysteria about the unreported attendance was irrelevant seeing as Shams and the FAI had counters at the gates.
Also the official attendances are never reported by the club to the public, only to the FAI.

pay players cash lump sum payments (as evidenced with the Chris Turner case)

Sorry what?
Could you please expand on this like a good lad?

and have on paper more expensive squads than the likes of Pats

I could be wrong but are Pats not still stuck with a sizeable debt from the past few years that they have to pay back?
So you do understand the concept behind paying back debt, I know as a club Shams are a bit hazy on such a topic but the rest of us dont get a free ride.
Also we get higher gates than Pats.

and Dundalk (who are clubs with similar attendances. Dundalk also have substantial off field revenues too)

Has Dundalk not invested substantial money into infrastructure over the past years?
Could that not explain why we might have a bigger budget?
Also the differences between the wages in our respective clubs is marginal IMO.

then there is always going to be a perception that something dodgy is going on.

Not really, its fairly self evident where this perception comes from.
From Shams fans own self inflated importance that they are "the model club" and anyone that challenges their fabricated reality must automatically be at dodgey dealing.
Now make no mistake, if it was Dundalk or Pats who won the League Cup and FAI Cup knocking out Shams along the way IN BOTH COMPETITIONS you would be hearing the exact same spurious bull**** from Shams fans who have a very limited memory span or are merely just the bandwagon jumpers.

Hopefully that is not the case and everything is above board but we have seen it all to often in this league and in every case fans of the clubs in question always fervently denied anything was wrong.

Like I said the accounts were laid out to the fans, we are not run by a closed shop we are a members run club, a hell of alot longer than Shams.
We have seen the figures, our players have been paid in full and on time, our suppliers are paid and the infrastrucural development of the Showgies is improving every season.
If we were indeed in financial instability then the ugly face of debts and creditors would be showing their face and Sligo is a small enough place where people would know.
All of this is based on circumstantial petty ****e like lotto tickets, there is no evidence of our financial instability.
Now if I thought for a second our club was mounting debt and heading to economic oblivion I would be the first to shout stop because I know unlike Shams we are not the FAI's pet frankenstein, we as a club honour our debts, unlike some.

**horton** · 01/03/2011, 9:05 AM

This is starting to turn into the Bohs thread! *Grabs popcorn*

**Red Army** · 01/03/2011, 9:08 AM

We'll we aren't going to post up our accounts and figures on this site it for members eyes only so there is nothing to discuss. it's people from other clubs posting up rumours with no backup or evidence

**Dodge** · 01/03/2011, 9:13 AM

Originally Posted by Red Army

it's people from other clubs posting up rumours with no backup or evidence

What rumours were posted?

**Rasputin** · 01/03/2011, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

What rumours were posted?

This "financial investigation" the Shams fans got wind of from their "inside sources"?

**Dodge** · 01/03/2011, 9:20 AM

Yeah, sorry I thought he was talking about 'new' rumours.

**Schumi** · 01/03/2011, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by legendz

Reports suggest the overall debts of clubs has come down a lot over the last few years.

Because lots of indebted clubs have either gone out of business or written debts off in examinership.

**micls** · 01/03/2011, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Because lots of indebted clubs have either gone out of business or written debts off in examinership.

Or, if you're really cool, both.

**HulaHoop** · 01/03/2011, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Rasputin

This "financial investigation" the Shams fans got wind of from their "inside sources"?

Once again Rasputin, this rumour initally came from the Bohs forum but do carry on with the story it suits you to believe.

**Dave_SRFC** · 01/03/2011, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Rasputin

Yes we didnt have tickets for yee, jesus christ boo hoo.
Would you count that as evidence of our financial instability?

Thats not the away end, its the entrance for the car park.
The reason yee were put through that end (and nobody else) is because your fans cannot be trusted to be put through the away turnstyle because of your long and distinguished history of handbag hooliganism.
Who knows maybe there could of been a "mob" of teenage girls the danny dyer wannabes could get pwapa nawty with or maybe some Africans might have the misfortune of crossing paths with your oh so racially tolerant lot.

The only game im aware of that was done was the Shams LC semi.
Every other game it was within the margin of error.
Anyways as Red4Eva has pointed out the whole hysterical hysteria about the unreported attendance was irrelevant seeing as Shams and the FAI had counters at the gates.
Also the official attendances are never reported by the club to the public, only to the FAI.

Sorry what?
Could you please expand on this like a good lad?

I could be wrong but are Pats not still stuck with a sizeable debt from the past few years that they have to pay back?
So you do understand the concept behind paying back debt, I know as a club Shams are a bit hazy on such a topic but the rest of us dont get a free ride.
Also we get higher gates than Pats.

Has Dundalk not invested substantial money into infrastructure over the past years?
Could that not explain why we might have a bigger budget?
Also the differences between the wages in our respective clubs is marginal IMO.

Not really, its fairly self evident where this perception comes from.
From Shams fans own self inflated importance that they are "the model club" and anyone that challenges their fabricated reality must automatically be at dodgey dealing.
Now make no mistake, if it was Dundalk or Pats who won the League Cup and FAI Cup knocking out Shams along the way IN BOTH COMPETITIONS you would be hearing the exact same spurious bull**** from Shams fans who have a very limited memory span or are merely just the bandwagon jumpers.

Like I said the accounts were laid out to the fans, we are not run by a closed shop we are a members run club, a hell of alot longer than Shams.
We have seen the figures, our players have been paid in full and on time, our suppliers are paid and the infrastrucural development of the Showgies is improving every season.
If we were indeed in financial instability then the ugly face of debts and creditors would be showing their face and Sligo is a small enough place where people would know.
All of this is based on circumstantial petty ****e like lotto tickets, there is no evidence of our financial instability.
Now if I thought for a second our club was mounting debt and heading to economic oblivion I would be the first to shout stop because I know unlike Shams we are not the FAI's pet frankenstein, we as a club honour our debts, unlike some.

All lies and wishful thinking I'd say...

**pineapple stu** · 01/03/2011, 12:07 PM

Have you anything actually constructive to add? Otherwise, you're just trolling.

**dong** · 01/03/2011, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

It's like stepping back 6 or 7 years to Shels fans...

Like I said, it's head beneath the sand time.
Couldn't possibly be anything dodgy going on at my LoI club.

**SkStu** · 01/03/2011, 1:39 PM

wouldnt this thread be better off locked. It started off as a (sort of) celebration of some clubs seemingly doing things the right way and has quickly descended into a Sligo-bashing exercise for no real reason that i can see. I say lock it or change it into a sligo finances thread based on nothing.

The start of the (real) silly-season cant come fast enough!

**A face** · 01/03/2011, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

wouldnt this thread be better off locked. It started off as a (sort of) celebration of some clubs seemingly doing things the right way and has quickly descended into a Sligo-bashing exercise for no real reason that i can see. I say lock it or change it into a sligo finances thread based on nothing.

The start of the (real) silly-season cant come fast enough!

Yeah, gonna lock it now. If anyone has any issues with it then post something in the support forum.