Not strictly true. The 4 teams existed before FIFA.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
It was the formation of the FAI which caused the controversy. Splitters.
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The original aspiration of the FAI (or the then-FAIFS) was to replace or succeed, rather than intentionally split from, the IFA. It was when it came to accessing FIFA membership that the association was granted entry based upon the jurisdiction of the Irish Free State. Recognition would not have been forthcoming otherwise.
Yes. What I said does not dispute that.
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Just spotted this, thanks to Pred:
Shouldn't there be an apostrophe in the sub-heading?
Would it matter if there was? Though that really is annoying.
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Ok, but they were lucky they were allowed an exaggerated status. And what Danny said.
FIFA wanted to get the British associations on board in the mid-1940s and this was realised through the diplomacy of Jules Rimet. I don't think the maintenance of their respective autonomies was ever a sticking point with FIFA given they were already well-established as independent footballing entities and had been pivotal in formalising the laws of the game.
Some more on the history of it here: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/organi...ociations.html
If there was an issue at all with their membership, it appears to have been centred around the status of amateur players.The four British associations return to FIFA after the Second World War: 25th FIFA Congress in Luxembourg in 1946
Congresses that left their mark on FIFA and football
The representatives of the 34 associations attending the first FIFA Congress staged after the Second World War pass several far-reaching decisions. Thanks to Jules Rimet's diplomatic skills, the four British associations - England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland, return to FIFA after an absence of almost 20 years.
The reason for the temporary exclusion of these four member associations was a disagreement with FIFA on the status of amateur players. Leading the negotiations for the British are Arthur Drewry and Sir Stanley Rous, who will later take over the helm of FIFA.
The British associations' return is celebrated with a match between a UK team and a FIFA eleven in Glasgow's Hampden Park in 1947. Acclaimed by the press as the "Match of the Century", it pulls in a crowd of 135,000 eager fans. As a goodwill gesture, the receipts of GBP 35,000 were passed on to FIFA to help it bridge the financial losses suffered during the war. The British team won 6-1.
Further Congress decisions in 1946:
• The World Cup trophy is renamed the Jules Rimet Cup in the President's honour.
• Brazil are named hosts of the next World Cup (planned for 1949 but actually held in 1950) and Switzerland hosts of the subsequent tournament. Both tournaments are to be played according to the knockout system.
• The delegates approve CONMEBOL's proposal for Spanish to become an official language of FIFA.
The following extract from the Congress minutes testify to the significance of the 25th FIFA Congress.
The Jules Rimet Cup. Sounds like something Bonnie Shells nervously puts on around his groin before his sunday pub matches.
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No. That's Ralgex.
The latest on 'our' Jamie...
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/su...-29121911.html
There's a book in that.
Possibly a mural.
Wee Jamie the OWC's mascot did alright, 1/2 a day on hunger strike is 2 hours longer than his predecessors.
He's certainly done better than his rotund compatriot on here would have...
"Jamie Biryani" ?
'Northern Ireland boss O’Neill blasts FAI over pursuit of young players': http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-29126635.html
Not sure what the "moral issue" here is exactly. Unlike Worthington, I'd hoped O'Neill was above such moralistic whingeing. Players make a free and informed decision. They know the risks and there's nobody at the FAI hoodwinking them or coercing them into doing something against their will. In fact, I understand that most of the players who have switched are happier to take the risk and fight for a place in our sides rather than settle for the greater certainty or security of more caps and an international career with the IFA; an association to whom they don't feel culturally-affiliated.NORTHERN IRELAND manager Michael O'Neill believes the FAI have "moral issues" to address over their pursuit of players from the six counties.
In criticising the FAI's approach, the former Shamrock Rovers boss pointed to the difficulties endured by Darron Gibson, James McClean and Marc Wilson under Giovanni Trapattoni and the lack of opportunities for less high-profile players like Daniel Kearns, who took a case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport to ensure he could play for the Republic.
O'Neill appears to have stemmed the flow of players, but remains frustrated that North-born Premier League regulars are denied to him by the rules that are in place.
"Marc Wilson had his problems, James (McClean) has had his problems, Darron Gibson has certainly not played anywhere near as much for the Republic of Ireland as he would have done for Northern Ireland," he said.
"Daniel Kearns, I feel a bit sorry (for). He was, possibly, a young lad that was put in a position that maybe the association shouldn't have put him in.
"As a player at 17 or 19, to change your allegiance without any potential promise of a full international career, I think there's a moral issue there. I don't think that's to the benefit of a player's career. And I think there is a moral aspect, as an association, to make sure that the interest is genuine."
When later he was asked if he comes across Trapattoni at games in England often, O'Neill said: "Funnily enough, I don't actually."
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He's also over-playing the supposed "problems" experienced by switching players. Wilson's opportunities have been limited in the past due to recurring injury issues and the illness of his girlfriend, but he's clearly a big part of Trap's plans at present. Gibson has been capped 19 times and, whilst McClean has had off-the-field issues, they've not interfered with his international progress or aspirations. As for Kearns, he's still only 21; not like he's washed up or anything. And there's absolutely no indication that any of these players now harbour regrets over declaring for the FAI; not even Gibson with his apparent problems with Trap.
I also disagree with the misleading connotation behind this phrase: "denied to him by the rules that are in place". The rules don't deny O'Neill access to any player, just so long as they're eligible. It's his job to convince eligible players that their best option is to choose the IFA. No rule denies him any right he has to do this.
As the FAI doesn't pick the team, presumably O'Neill's statement is intended as an attack on Trapattoni's team selections?
Which association is that Michael?
Sorry Danny, remind me again who brought that case to CAS. I forget. It's been so long.
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