Surely being a nationalist precludes identifying as Northern Irish? Unless their form of nationalism would involve NI being a state within a state in Ireland like it is in Britain.Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Would reluctantly have to agree with NB, don't share his politics clearly!
A number of my class mates would be Northern Irish by choice (not British) and have little interest in the Republic or a united Ireland. Funnily enough they don't support NI though!
I wonder do they not support Northern Ireland because of the "British" trappings associated with the experience eg, the Anthem?
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
I hadn't expected majority support for unity south of the border, to be honest. Me of little faith.The survey shows that a substantial majority of people would still like to see a united Ireland but only a minority believe it will happen in the next 25 years.
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Those saying Yes [in the response to the question as to whether a united Ireland is something to be hoped for] is still substantial at 64 per cent but it has declined since the 1980s. Even more striking, though, is that the number saying that they would prefer not to see a united Ireland has halved to 8 per cent since 1987.
Was there really a controversy? :/In the light of the controversy over whether golfer Rory Mcllroy should declare for Ireland or the UK when golf is allowed into the next Olympic Games the poll indicates a growing acceptance of the dual identity of people from NI.
Is that suggesting a significant minority of Sinn Féin supporters believe the inhabitants of NI to be British? Surely, both of the above results are rather odd and incongruous with Sinn Féin's traditional outlook?A majority of Fianna Fáil supporters also take that view but Sinn Féin supporters, by a small majority, say that people in Northern Ireland are Irish.
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Curiously, Sinn Féin voters were significantly stronger in the view that there would never be unity than supporters of other parties.
Where are/were your classmates from? Did they support the Republic or simply take no interest in the international game?
I would consider an Office Bearer in the SDLP to be a Nationalist.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
But have you actually asked them...
Asked them what?But have you actually asked them...
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
So, 43% of people in the South (excluding the don't knows) are in denial then?
22%. That's more like it.The survey shows that a substantial majority of people would still like to see a united Ireland but only a minority believe it will happen in the next 25 years
Exaggerated controversy. He can call for whichever he pleases (or Florida, if eligible). Contrary to a suggestion in the article quoted a few pages back, isn't mid-Atlantic Mac more likely to be in the Irish team (where he's currently the #2 ranked player, as opposed to #6 in Britain)? That he's a Prod is irrelevant if he really wants to play in the Olympics.In the light of the controversy over whether golfer Rory Mcllroy should declare for Ireland or the UK when golf is allowed into the next Olympic Games the poll indicates a growing acceptance of the dual identity of people from NI
@Newryrep: the NI Life and Times survey NB quoted above had 28% mainly identifying as Northern Irish. If we also exclude the 37% in the British category, then presumably no more than 35% can be Nationalist, despite their parties getting 42% in recent elections...
PS NB, got yer speedos ready for the Malta game yet?
Last edited by Gather round; 27/11/2012 at 2:22 PM.
I'll not be anywhere near it GR.PS NB, got yer speedos ready for the Malta game yet?
Saving my money for a return to Eurofans in Lviv next June.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Downpatrick area. Partly to do with the anthem and probably also to do with the success of the Republic during the 90's when we attended school (and Windsor Park '93 didn't help - I know its history but we are talking about formative years).
All live east of the Bann, I lived in Cookstown for a summer and attitudes are more hardened west of the Bann. South down isn't that Republican in comparison.
None vote unionist (some vote Alliance) or support NI, but attitudes vary between indifference/VERY mild support and hostility to the NI team. As I said none are British, but some are Northern Irish with more interest in British things that things from the Republic (sounds strange but it is the case - bit like Rory McIlroy perhaps?)
Some also do not support the Ulster rugby team as it is a "Protestant" team (which is stupid as Catholic schools in the north traditionally boycotted the sport).
Martin Clarke of Down GAA fame (and his brother) are keen Northern Ireland fans. I don't believe he is a Unionist.
Disturbing that some perceive the Ulster Rugby team as a "Protestant" team - quite simply, it's not.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
John Clarke - quit the Down team after online abuse from his own fans. They are NI fans but also represented Ireland at the international rules series. Don't know them personally but know of them clearly through Down GAA circles. Would agree neither are Unionists (but probably not Republican either).
Agree on the rugby, its a stupid opinion some hold - barstoolerism at its worst - but it is held by some. They backed Leinster in last years Heineken Cup final (!). More in common with D4 heads than their neighbours apparently. I work in Dublin 4 and I can assure you they do not...
thats very interesting alright.
No "w**kers" option though? Gotta question the credibility of that particular survey...
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
More like base sectarianism at it's worst.
The Englishmen came over in the year 2005
But little did they know that we'd planned a wee surprise
Sir David scored the winner, and Windsor Park went wild
And this is what we sang...
Maybe not 100%, however whenever I've watched an Ulster rugby match the 'Ulster banners' in the crowd outweigh the 'Ulster provincial flags' which is the official flag of the team I believe. Clearly unionists like to show whose team they believe it really is.
Down GAA always remind me of the time I was in a nightclub in Belfast a few years back and I was talking to a lad from Down about their upcoming All-Ireland final. His girlfriend came over and he got her to turn around so I could see "her protestant hole" because I don't get to see them in Galway... And I must say it was a fine hole!!
Quite a funny moment
Was that in the Bot by any chance?Down GAA always remind me of the time I was in a nightclub in Belfast a few years back and I was talking to a lad from Down about their upcoming All-Ireland final. His girlfriend came over and he got her to turn around so I could see "her protestant hole" because I don't get to see them in Galway... And I must say it was a fine hole!!
Quite a funny moment
That reminds me of an anecdote I heard from a former City of Derry rugby player. He recounted around the early to mid 90's many teams from around NI travelling to play in Derry, and would take to the field calling everyone in the COD team 'fenians' and 'taigs' ie 'let's hammer these fenian ********!'
Don't know how real the attitude was, whether it was actual animosity or psyched up competitive edge but regardless it got so bad in one game the COD players stopped play to tell their opposite numbers them to give over, not least because there was only one or two Catholics/Nationalists on the team/pitch. Caused a bit of confusion and laughter all round.
That's a bit more back in the day, but where you're from and what you'll play still counts for a lot, unfortunately.
Last edited by SwanVsDalton; 27/11/2012 at 8:13 PM.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
You're probably right
Have no idea what the place was called. I was well oiled at that stage....
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