Eligibility Rules, Okay

[ifk101]

Interesting indeed. I'd like some clarification on this as Gary McAllister made a similar accusation the other week on Twitter, stating that "elements" were pressurising, abusing, intimidating and maybe even threatening players out of playing for the IFA/into playing for the FAI. Are they referring to political organisations or even paramilitary groups or what? And Sam wants to report Foot.ie to the police?!

The very reliable source (now referred to as rumours) is from the Maiden City. No names (surprise).

[punkrocket]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...#ixzz1l9Lmp252
Gerry's been working hard
(Armstrong that is)

[geysir]

Danny you wrote well on that blog, but this piece requires more explanation or a different expression.

"Even if the FAI were to enter some internal agreement with the IFA, such an agreement would breach this right of those not party to that agreement. This was also pointed out in the CAS judgment."

What CAS adjudicated on in that context was the alleged gentleman's agreement that the IFA offered as part of their argument.
page 26
90. 'In any event, the alleged tacit agreement may not be used to defeat the claim ofMr Kearns, who was of course not a party to any such agreement and who, in anyevent, is entitled to exercise his rights as provided under Article 15 and 18 of the2009 Application Regulations.

AFAIU, If the FAI and IFA got together and formulated some document as regards the eligibility of players for their respective associations and this document was approved by FIFA and entered as an addendum to the eligibility statutes, then it would be binding.

[DannyInvincible]

Danny you wrote well on that blog, but this piece requires more explanation or a different expression.

"Even if the FAI were to enter some internal agreement with the IFA, such an agreement would breach this right of those not party to that agreement. This was also pointed out in the CAS judgment."

What CAS adjudicated on in that context was the alleged gentleman's agreement that the IFA offered as part of their argument.
page 26
90. 'In any event, the alleged tacit agreement may not be used to defeat the claim ofMr Kearns, who was of course not a party to any such agreement and who, in anyevent, is entitled to exercise his rights as provided under Article 15 and 18 of the2009 Application Regulations.

AFAIU, If the FAI and IFA got together and formulated some document as regards the eligibility of players for their respective associations and this document was approved by FIFA and entered as an addendum to the eligibility statutes, then it would be binding.

That's true, which is why I referred to an "internal agreement"* to imply one made solely between the two associations without any amendment or addition being made to FIFA's regulations. Of course, if FIFA amended or did add an addendum to the regulations in order to make way for such an agreement, there'd be no problem.

*Possibly I could have phrased it better; a private bilateral agreement maybe?

[DannyInvincible]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...#ixzz1l9Lmp252
Gerry's been working hard
(Armstrong that is)

With many nationalists hostile to the international team, viewing its home stadium in south Belfast as a cold house for Catholics, the remarks from the Sinn Fein Deputy First Minister potentially represent another landmark in improving cross-community relations.

There's that paranoid siege mentality again. The main reason nationalists have little to do with the NI team is because it's an irrelevancy to them; not because they're bitter or hostile.

[co. down green]

Following on from Gerry Armstrong’s recent ‘successful’ mission to St. Columb’s College in Derry to stem the flow of 'young roman catholic players opting to play for a foreign country’ It’s interesting to see that two St Columb’s players have been selected by Paul Doolin for the Ireland u18 squad

Keep up the good work Agent Gerry.

[SwanVsDalton]

He'd need to instigate a switch from the South before he could even be considered for Northern Ireland.

He chose to represent the South - therefore, it's hardly a joke that the IFA haven't picked him.

If he wants to play for Northern Ireland now, he should let the IFA know formally and they can check out his eligibility for future consideration.

Think the thread appears to veer towards Doherty being eligible, he certainly always thought so. Regardless Worthington approached players about switching and looked at plenty of keeping options above Doherty while not bothering to check out the Brandy. Absurd he wasn't at least checked out (more Worthington's fault than the IFA's in fairness, who do maintain the occasional presence at the Brandy).

[Not Brazil]

With regard to the number of times a player could switch association, the wording was different but effect/meaning was the same as it is today.

So, in summary.

If you have represented an Association in only friendlies, you don't have to "request a change" in order to represent another Association for which you are eligible?

In other words, "switching" doesn't happen in that scenario?

[Not Brazil]

Interesting indeed. I'd like some clarification on this as Gary McAllister made a similar accusation the other week on Twitter, stating that "elements" were pressurising, abusing, intimidating and maybe even threatening players out of playing for the IFA/into playing for the FAI. Are they referring to political organisations or even paramilitary groups or what? And Sam wants to report Foot.ie to the police?!

Perhaps that's a rabbit in Gary's hat that he will produce to maximum effect at the appropriate time - rather than disclosing his source and evidence to someone on the Internet?

Just a thought.

[Not Brazil]

Think the thread appears to veer towards Doherty being eligible, he certainly always thought so. Regardless Worthington approached players about switching and looked at plenty of keeping options above Doherty while not bothering to check out the Brandy. Absurd he wasn't at least checked out (more Worthington's fault than the IFA's in fairness, who do maintain the occasional presence at the Brandy).

Having originally decided to side with the South, did Doherty ever formally let the IFA know that he would be interested in playing for Northern Ireland?

[Predator]

Perhaps that's a rabbit in Gary's hat that he will produce to maximum effect at the appropriate time - rather than disclosing his source and evidence to someone on the Internet?

Just a thought.

Or maybe he made it up?

Just a thought.

[BonnieShels]

Perhaps that's a rabbit in Gary's hat that he will produce to maximum effect at the appropriate time - rather than disclosing his source and evidence to someone on the Internet?

Just a thought.

You are putting too much faith in Gary's ability I would say. Gary strikes me (and unlike you I don't know the guy and only have his public utterances to base this on) as the sort of guy who couldn't wait to produce the rabbit. No way he would allow it to stay in his pants that long.

[Not Brazil]

Or maybe he made it up?

Just a thought.

Time will tell, no doubt.

[Not Brazil]

You are putting too much faith in Gary's ability I would say. Gary strikes me (and unlike you I don't know the guy and only have his public utterances to base this on) as the sort of guy who couldn't wait to produce the rabbit. No way he would allow it to stay in his pants that long.

He's a good card player.

[BonnieShels]

He's a good card player.

Snap or Old Maid?

[ifk101]

Perhaps that's a rabbit in Gary's hat that he will produce to maximum effect at the appropriate time - rather than disclosing his source and evidence to someone on the Internet?

Just a thought.

Let's get this straight. Your friend Gary has evidence that certain parties are pressurising, abusing, intimidating and maybe even threatening players to represent the FAI in international competition. And he is keeping it to himself for the most opportune time. And you believe this.

[Not Brazil]

Let's get this straight. Your friend Gary has evidence that certain parties are pressurising, abusing, intimidating and maybe even threatening players to represent the FAI in international competition. And he is keeping it to himself for the most opportune time. And you believe this.

Let's get this straight - I offered an opinion as to why Gary may not wish to disclose such information to people, like Danny, on the Internet.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I am not privy to any evidence to back up such claims - however, if Gary were to say he has such evidence, I would be inclined to believe him...based on past experiences.

Whether you believe that, frankly, is irrelevant

[Not Brazil]

Snap or Old Maid?

Jack change it.

[ifk101]

Let's get this straight - I offered an opinion as to why Gary may not wish to disclose such information to people, like Danny, on the Internet.

Quite a far fetched opinion you formed .....

Nothing more, nothing less.

I wouldn't dismiss accussations of players being forced or pressurised into playing for the FAI against their open free will so lightly.

I am not privy to any evidence to back up such claims

Of course not.

- however, if Gary were to say he has such evidence, I would be inclined to believe him...based on past experiences.

Gary says he has such evidence. Page 123 of this thread.

Whether you believe that, frankly, is irrelevant

I'll bear that in mind.

[geysir]

I'd concur with Danny, the evidence is that the NI fan reps have stepped over fully into the realms of the sinister conspiracy.
The type of bogeyman adventures that a 7 year old would find believable, entertained and excited.
Hard to credit some of stuff that once passed as being very believable to a 7 year old's fantasy.