Eligibility Rules, Okay

[Predator]

The key thing to consider from Martin O'Neill's words in the Sunday Times article is that he recognises that it is not up to him to persuade one way or the other. He respects McClean's choice.

[SwanVsDalton]

Lolpocalypse at that article. Second line!!

"I will certainly not pretend to know all the ins and outs of the matter."

Clearly his 'Journalism' degree in Stirling didn't include any reference to research...

[ArdeeBhoy]

I've frequently dissected pieces on the eligibility issue point-by-point here, but that one's already a train-wreck.

One slight problem. You're talking to people who can't read or write, often. And are in total denial of the facts.

[Predator]

I also tackled Sam Gamble about his piece in Twitter. He wasn't keen on a debate, resorted to insults and blocked me.

"La La La, still can't hear you!"

[dantheman]

Lifted this from OWC:



I also tackled Sam Gamble about his piece in Twitter. He wasn't keen on a debate, resorted to insults and blocked me.

He's a mod on OWC, Lisbellawloyal. He has a fantastic way with words and respect for what will soon be the majority community in the north:

You would think we were going into another country and whispering sweet nothings into young RC lads ears.

Those young arseehs eh?


BTW the terms t*rd, c*nt etc are pretty commonplace on that forum, not just directed at JMcC.
We aren't talking about a particularly sophisticated bunch of people here. The problems with poor education in working class Protestant areas have been well highlighted on other threads/forums etc

[ArdeeBhoy]

Based on the evidence on here, it's not just 'working class areas'. A certain institution not far from Belfast's Botanic Gardens springs to mind...

[geysir]

The Statutes as of Sep 2006 were:


Then we had this from Ealing Green 10 days before TK played for NI U-21's


The Statutes as of 17/10/06 when TK made his debut for NI U21, had changed to:


So there is quiet clearly a rule change between the time Kane changed association to the FAI and then played for NI again.

I'll try to track down, when exactly the change was made and if any circulars went out explaining it at the time.

But judging by all that, my reading of it, is that there was a time that a request for a change of association ruled you out for your old association, but that rule appears to have changed, or at least the wording of it, between 06 and 07. But they'd crucially also taken out the 'only once' part of it. Maybe that's the loophole that allowed Zamora, Kane make the changes?

"So there is quiet clearly a rule change between the time Kane changed association to the FAI and then played for NI again."

The rules were not changed according to FIFA, just reworded for better clarity.
Offhand, the only rule changes in this time period, were increasing residency from 2 years to 5 years and removing the age limit of 21.
A rule change requires a congress vote. E.g.the statutes that were 'reworded' in June 2008 did not require a congress vote.

Regardless, once a player submits his request to change, he's no longer eligible to play for any association until his request has been processed, and this applied to all those version of the rules of transfer, regardless of how they were worded.

On the rules re requesting a change,

Rules Oct 2003
3 (a) 'Up to his 21st birthday, a player may only once request changing the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches.
A Player may exercise this right to change Associations' … usual list of conditions

After submitting the request, the Player is no longer qualified to play for his current Association’s team.

I think the obvious implication here 'is no longer qualified to play for his current Association’s team' - while the request is in process.
Because obviously, if the request is denied he would again be able to play for his current association.
And obviously he can't play for his new association until the request is granted.

There is one circular, doesn't add much though.
Nov 2003 Circular nr 877 'a player is permitted one change'


Rules 2007
3b. 'A player may exercise this right only once.'
Is the right referred to, the right to change or the right to request a change? I think it is the right to change associations as it is made clearer in nr.5

5. 'Any Player who has the right to change Associations in accordance with par. 3 and 4 above shall submit a written, substantiated request to the FIFA general secretariat. The Players’ Status Committee shall decide on the request. The procedure will be in accordance with the Rules Governing the Procedures of the Players’ Status Committee and the Dispute Resolution Chamber. Once the player has filed his request, he is not eligible to play for any Association team until his request has been processed.'

So here the 'implication' from 2003 is written in to the 2007 version.


Rules 2011 A player ….. may, only once, request to change the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches to the Association of another country of which he holds nationality,
3. Once the Player has filed his request, he is not eligible to play for any representative team until his request has been processed.

This 2011 version comes from June 2008, when the text in all the eligibility rules were altered …again.

In the 3 versions, the difference is basically
2003 - the right to request a change once
2007 - the right to change once
2008 onwards - the right to request a change once.

[DannyInvincible]

He's a mod on OWC, Lisbellawloyal.

I figured. I left a comment beneath his piece asking him to unblock me on Twitter so we could actually have a proper debate rather than him attempting to mock me and call me names like a juvenile. He's only gone and deleted it. I'm stunned he has the audacity to refer to himself as a journalist.

[Charlie Darwin]

A good rule of thumb is that if somebody has a journalism degree they're probably not very good at it. Most of the best journalists here and in the UK - with some exceptions - either learned on the job or have a broader education.

[Predator]

"You would think we were going into another country and whispering sweet nothings into young RC lads ears."

Never mind the "other country" talk, this tells you a lot about perceptions.
As Danny has pointed out, it is perfectly fine when gentle encouragement* comes from Gerry Armstrong, but it is nearly carnal when it comes from someone associated with the FAI, even those are not officially related to the FAI.

*Armstrong has been very vocal with regard to certain players, casting them mercilessly into the public spotlight. Is his encouragement really all that gentle? I very rarely hear of players being named and singled out by the FAI. For all the criticism they receive, the FAI have been excellent throughout this whole saga.

[Predator]

I figured. I left a comment beneath his piece asking him to unblock me on Twitter so we could actually have a proper debate rather than him attempting to mock me and call me names like a juvenile. He's only gone and deleted it. I'm stunned he has the audacity to refer to himself as a journalist.

Don't journalists thrive on attention and debate? You have to wonder at the mindframe of those who censor dissent.

[DannyInvincible]

"You would think we were going into another country and whispering sweet nothings into young RC lads ears."

Never mind the "other country" talk, this tells you a lot about perceptions.
As Danny has pointed out, it is perfectly fine when gentle encouragement* comes from Gerry Armstrong, but it is nearly carnal when it comes from someone associated with the FAI, even those are not officially related to the FAI.

*Armstrong has been very vocal with regard to certain players, casting them mercilessly into the public spotlight. Is his encouragement really all that gentle? I very rarely hear of players being named and singled out by the FAI. For all the criticism they receive, the FAI have been excellent throughout this whole saga.

Armstrong is very open about speaking to England-born players who are also eligible for the IFA. He recently declared his intention to give Anton Rodgers a phone call. The lad's currently registered with the FAI. I have no problem with it; it's just the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness on the part of guys like Gamble that's ridiculous.

[geysir]

Sam claims to be a journalist who writes for the Mid Ulster Mail, an e-paper based in Tyrone.

The Mid Ulster Mail's vision of local sport in Tyrone, does not include even a miniscule mention of GAA.
However, the Mid Ulster Mail does carry accounts of Tyronies who play snooker, tennis, soccer, rugby. boxing and motor sport.

I didn't think there was a sand pit deep enough to stick your head into, in order to report on sport in Tyrone and completely and utterly ignore the existence of the GAA
Therefore I have to conclude that the Mid Ulster Mail, a supposed community news service, is in fact a sinister Klu Klux Klan revivalist rag

[Not Brazil]

Sam claims to be a journalist who writes for the Mid Ulster Mail, an e-paper based in Tyrone.

The Mid Ulster Mail's vision of local sport in Tyrone, does not include even a miniscule mention of GAA.
However, the Mid Ulster Mail does carry accounts of Tyronies who play snooker, tennis, soccer, rugby. boxing and motor sport.

I didn't think there was a sand pit deep enough to stick your head into, in order to report on sport in Tyrone and completely and utterly ignore the existence of the GAA
Therefore I have to conclude that the Mid Ulster Mail, a supposed community news service, is in fact a sinister Klu Klux Klan revivalist rag

I entered "GAA" into the site's search facility.

The results would suggest you are talking out of your hoop.

[Not Brazil]

We aren't talking about a particularly sophisticated bunch of people here. The problems with poor education in working class Protestant areas have been well highlighted on other threads/forums etc

I think you've done a great job in articulating your own sectarian prejudices.

[Charlie Darwin]

I entered "GAA" into the site's search facility.

The results would suggest you are talking out of your hoop.

None of it is sports coverage, I think is the point. A couple of hard news items a month is nothing when you have a full sports section that makes no mention of the county's most popular sports.

[Not Brazil]

None of it is sports coverage, I think is the point..

There was an interesting result when I input "Sam Gamble " into the site's search facility.

[DannyInvincible]

Sam claims to be a journalist who writes for the Mid Ulster Mail, an e-paper based in Tyrone.

The Mid Ulster Mail's vision of local sport in Tyrone, does not include even a miniscule mention of GAA.
However, the Mid Ulster Mail does carry accounts of Tyronies who play snooker, tennis, soccer, rugby. boxing and motor sport.

I didn't think there was a sand pit deep enough to stick your head into, in order to report on sport in Tyrone and completely and utterly ignore the existence of the GAA
Therefore I have to conclude that the Mid Ulster Mail, a supposed community news service, is in fact a sinister Klu Klux Klan revivalist rag

Sam has taken great umbrage with your description of the Mid Ulster Mail and he'd like me to relay the following message to you:

If you actually knew the paper or Geysir did. We provide two pages to GAA during the off season. Club notes and photos

The McKenna Cup does not attract much media attention and we have had a reduced number of pages.

In the summer when the All Ireland starts then yes the paper will follow Tyrone and Derrys progress. Happy?

I will quite happily stand and photocopy pages of the paper and send to this so called 'geysir'

Why he saw fit to bang on to me about it, I'm not sure. You'll get me in big trouble, geysir!

[Charlie Darwin]

There was an interesting result when I input "Sam Gamble " into the site's search facility.

Turncoat!

[ifk101]

Interview with Daniel Kearns

http://www.dundalkfc.com/kearns-spea...blic-influence