I thought the inclusion of the Aviva in all it's bedpan glory was a bit naff.
And is that picture of the boys in the boat supposed to represent the Giants Causeway (either on steroids or when there was less water to go around)?
Apart from the fact that the words come from the 19th amendment to the constitution, what exactly is the 'birthright and entitlement of every person born in the island of Ireland'....beyond a vague right to 'be part of the Irish Nation'?Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The 27 amendment to the consitution made something of a lie of that, or am I missing something?
I was wondering that myself but assumed it was a depiction of men out in a currach. Men of Aran, perhaps? The hexagonal rocks of the Giant's Causeway aren't actually as tall, steep and sharp as those in the print; even the ones on steroids!
Can anyone shed any light?
No, you're completely right, which was my point and why I found the inclusion interesting. GR is always quick to correct anyone who commits the foul of repeating or paraphrasing the age-old stock line for the sake of brevity in argument. It always tickles me, but he is technically correct.
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Birthright is much more than a vague right, it a right bestowed upon by virtue of place of birth.
This birthright refers specifically to irish nationality and the 27th amendment to the constitution did not make a lie out of that, but merely added a condition.
The Skelligs maybe? World Heritage Site and all that.
Do you (or anybody else) know when this was added to the passport design? It seems like the kind of thing that would have been added in 1999, and removed in 2004 (unless it would be decided to put an asterisk or some other symbol to note that such birthright was now conditional).
No, you're completely right, which was my point and why I found the inclusion interesting. GR is always quick to correct anyone who commits the foul of repeating or paraphrasing the age-old stock line for the sake of brevity in argument. It always tickles me, but he is technically correct.
Seems strange to design a passport with such a piece of text, in the knowledge that the text is now somewhat misleading, or does not give the full picture.
So I'm wondering when that became part of the design.
That's the problem Danny. Your brief, snappy soundbites just don't cover all the details
It may be the resolution on my old laptop, but the map in yer passport looks a bit odd. The Shannon seems to be flowing two ways, both South through Limerick and North into the Erne?
There's a canal don'tcha know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon...3Erne_WaterwayThat's the problem Danny. Your brief, snappy soundbites just don't cover all the details
It may be the resolution on my old laptop, but the map in yer passport looks a bit odd. The Shannon seems to be flowing two ways, both South through Limerick and North into the Erne?
It's the Skelligs.I was wondering that myself but assumed it was a depiction of men out in a currach. Men of Aran, perhaps? The hexagonal rocks of the Giant's Causeway aren't actually as tall, steep and sharp as those in the print; even the ones on steroids!
Can anyone shed any light?
Anyone who has ever seen the (tiny) Giants Causeway in real life could never confuse it with that image.
On the left-hand outcrop of the passport illustration you can make out the spiraling pathway snaking up the side.
I got one of the new-fangled biometric passports in 2009 and it was the same design in essence on the visa pages as all of the previous versions of the "burgundy" passports. Same as my EC one from 1996 and my other from 2003.
Sure, the Shannon and the Erne have been confused for an age. The etymology of Ballyshannon would indicate as much. The same warrior and/or Celtic goddess could well be convenient disguises for this error.
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Any thoughts on the new passport card whilst we're at it?
https://www.dfa.ie/news-and-media/pr...passport-card/
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
No way that woman is 26.
Has nobody in the Passport Office heard of Georgia Salpa?
Hello, hello? What's going on? What's all this shouting, we'll have no trouble here!
- E Tattsyrup.
My old one was valid from July of 2005, but I don't recall the constitutional passage being on it. In saying that, I didn't look at it all that closely when I last had it and it is now back in Ireland, so I might have completely missed it all this time. The novelty of a new one sparked my curiosity as to what was actually contained on those inner pages, so I suppose I took greater stock of what's in the new one. Do you mean that the "birthright and entitlement" passage has been on passports since at least 2003 then?
The present passport design was introduced in October of 2013.
It's not on my 2012 passport.
The old hardback green one was a true flexible friend. The pages were sewn together with thread. If you had a page with a black mark to get rid of, or needed a page with a visa, you could replace a double fold page with a suitable one (with the right number) from another passport,sew it back together again and glue on the cover. It could look a few degrees more shoddy, but still within the realms of innocent wear and tear.
Was just looking at the new passport yesterday. Very classy indeed. Like the inclusion of Ulster Scots as well as nice sprinkling of verse in English and as Gaeilge and nice illustrations of Aviva Stadium, GAA, Aileach's Grianán etc.
Folding my way into the big money!!!
That might not have been clear. It's not on any older design.
The design of the pre-2013 edition has remained the same since the EC change over. ie. My 1996 (EC), 2003 (EU) and 2009 (EU-biometric) are all the same design inside. Bar the photo page and the addition of certain other European languages to the passport since EC-12.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
An interesting piece by Malachy Clerkin on the origin and reception of 'Ireland's Call': http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugb...ears-1.2085759
What are the chances of Ireland's Call being used if Rory McIllroy wins gold in Rio?
I'm not mad about the song but it serves it's purpose I suppose. Sung passionately by supporters it just about gets away with it, maybe. Coulter was never the greatest lyricist from my fairly limited knowledge of him. This line out of The Town I Loved So Well always grated on me!
In derryspeak that probably just means taking the dog for a walk.
The TILSW is quite simply an Irish ballad masterpiece and it has a sentiment that can travel and be deeply appreciated in any corner of the globe.
Yeah because in some versions they actually say "walk the dogs". I think it's a terrible line either way. I quite like the song otherwise.
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